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Marilyn Matty

An interesting program:

https://www.cnet.com/news/your-apple-watch-can-earn-you-money-for-medical-expenses-unitedhealthcare/

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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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> On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:20 PM, Marilyn Matty <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> An interesting program:
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And if you actually exercise, as opposed to walking, do you get credit?  If my health insurance provider did something like that, I’d assume they were clueless and I’d be entirely open to cheating.  I’m a cyclist and a cross country skier, and neither of them involves “steps”, so I don’t wear my Apple Watch when I’m cycling or skiing.  If they asked for access to my Strava feed, on the other hand, I’d believe they actually knew what they were doing.
 
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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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I saw the other day that Apple Watch now supports skiing…no cycling yet though so I use Cyclemeter on my phone for that.

On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:47 PM, Paul Schinder <[hidden email]> wrote:

so I don’t wear my Apple Watch when I’m cycling or skiing


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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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> On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Neil Laubenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I saw that, too.  Unlikely to be nearly as good as my Garmin Epix.  For one thing, my AW3LTE can’t connect to my ANT+ chest band for heart rate, and I distrust optical on the wrist for skiing.  Not to mention that the AW would be under clothing (would lock otherwise) and be unseeable without stopping and messing around.

The AW is a lousy fitness device; I rely on specialist devices from Garmin (although I’m always looking at what other manufacturers put out) for cycling (Edge 1000) and skiing (Epix).  Watches in general are awful for cycling.

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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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Apple Watch claims to support tracking cycling as a workout activity. See https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht207934 for a list of workout types.

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I saw the other day that Apple Watch now supports skiing…no cycling yet though so I use Cyclemeter on my phone for that.





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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

Alan Forkosh
Although not relevant for United Health Care, Strava does have a watch app and will apparently use Apple Watch data for the various activities you can track via Strava:

https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000161184-Strava-Apple-Watch-App?mobile_site=true

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Apple Watch claims to support tracking cycling as a workout activity. See https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht207934 for a list of workout types.

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I saw the other day that Apple Watch now supports skiing…no cycling yet though so I use Cyclemeter on my phone for that.




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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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> On Mar 8, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Alan Forkosh <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Apple Watch claims to support tracking cycling as a workout activity. See https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht207934 for a list of workout types.


As I said, watches in general make lousy cycling devices, basically because if you wear them you can’t see them, and if you handlebar mount them (can’t do that with the Apple Watch) they’re harder to see than the much larger screens on dedicated devices.  Dedicated cycling devices work much better; larger screens, bigger batteries, more data fields on the screen.  The Apple Watch in particular can’t pair to ANT+ sensors and can’t pair to any cycling power meters, even those that transmit using Bluetooth.  I don’t know if an app could fix the latter, but they definitely can’t do anything about ANT+.

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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Paul Schinder <[hidden email]> wrote:

As I said, watches in general make lousy cycling device

Ah, but that’s not what you said: you said the Apple Watch is a lousy fitness device. Have to disagree with you there— it’s been a fantastic one for me, and based on what I’ve read, I’m not alone in this assessment.

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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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> On Mar 8, 2018, at 3:28 PM, keydel <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> As I said, watches in general make lousy cycling device
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> Ah, but that’s not what you said: you said the Apple Watch is a lousy fitness device. Have to disagree with you there— it’s been a fantastic one for me, and based on what I’ve read, I’m not alone in this assessment.

When you can’t pair with the majority of sensors out there, make it difficult to get a track file of the activity off the of the device in a standard format to send wherever you wish, don’t have an always on screen easily readable in direct sunlight, lock off the wrist, have poor battery life, then you’re a lousy fitness device.  I know; I own an AW3 LTE and have owned many Garmin devices over the years.  The AW has gotten better from the series 0 I used to use, but it’s still a lousy fitness device limited by hardware choices that were made for other reasons.

I define fitness as more than just “steps”.  There are plenty of activities that don’t involve “steps”.

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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Paul Schinder <[hidden email]> wrote:

I define fitness as more than just “steps”.  There are plenty of activities that don’t involve “steps”.

If you believe the workouts provided by the Apple Watch only rely on steps, then you must not have ever used an Apple Watch. Plenty of people are getting fit using the Apple Watch— if that isn’t the sign of a good fitness device, I don’t know what it.

It may not be for you, but to engage in such hyperbole is just silly.

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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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> On Mar 8, 2018, at 12:28 PM, keydel <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Ah, but that’s not what you said: you said the Apple Watch is a lousy fitness device. Have to disagree with you there— it’s been a fantastic one for me, and based on what I’ve read, I’m not alone in this assessment.

I've been an AW user since they first came out and I've been very disappointed with the fitness aspects. For me it's not the connection with the other hardware, its accuracy, or the fact that it measures wrist movement (making it less useful for tracking certain kinds of exercise), but the singular fact that it won't track unless I specifically tell it I'm exercising.

I was stunned when I first discovered that's how it worked. Apple's improved that slightly over the years, but it's still terrible in my opinion. I *never* remember to turn it on until after I've done with the exercise activity (or halfway through), which is so frustrating that I gave up bothering with it.

Since I don't get much exercise, I want every stray step to count. Even stuff like emptying the dishwasher or taking out the garage are major activities for me -- but the watch doesn't count them as "exercise" unless I start an activity. I'd get so pissed off when I'd wash the car or mow the lawn and remember halfway through to turn on an activity tracker, thus half my exercise not counting.

For me, the AW is actually a *negative* when it comes to fitness. Because it doesn't track most of what I consider exercise, I felt zero compulsion to "close my rings" and actually exercised *less* after I got the watch. (Why exercise if I'm not getting the credit?)

I still like the AW for other things, but as a fitness device, it's useless for me.


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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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The AW is a lousy fitness device;

Agreed, as does DC Rainmaker, who does the most comprehensive reviews and comparisons of all fitness devices. I don’t like taking watches off during the day, so I wear my Apple Watch all day and just put my Garmin Forerunner 620 on when I go running. The Garmin provides a vastly better experience for runners.


He is clear about how it’s the best smartwatch out there, though.

Of course, all this depends on what you consider fitness. For me, it involves accurate distance and speed tracking and reporting, no-look usage, easily accessed lap functionality, and connectivity with services like Garmin Connect and Strava. 

Watches in general are awful for cycling.

Yeah. Again, I don’t take Apple Watch off when biking, but I’ll wear (but not look at) the Forerunner 620 to record my rides. So much easier to just press buttons to start and stop than to fight with the touch interface.

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On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:58 PM, Zeedar Marc <[hidden email]> wrote:

it won't track unless I specifically tell it I'm exercising.

Incorrect. It tracks steps, heart rate, and standing regardless of whether or not you have invoked a specific workout (which, by the way, my Garmin required, as well). For many people who didn’t regularly exercise in the past, this is sufficient.

However, I won’t dispute that it’s not for you, just as I won’t dispute all the folks who assert that it IS for them.

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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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On Mar 8, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Adam Engst <[hidden email]> wrote:

The AW is a lousy fitness device;

Agreed, as does DC Rainmaker, who does the most comprehensive reviews and comparisons of all fitness devices. I don’t like taking watches off during the day, so I wear my Apple Watch all day and just put my Garmin Forerunner 620 on when I go running. The Garmin provides a vastly better experience for runners.

Again, Adam, for you it’s a lousy fitness device. Incidentally, I’ve run with both my Garmin and my AW at the same time, and while running, the AW tracked the Garmin heart rate with chest strap almost perfectly, and matched the distance, as well.

As a non-competitive, but regular runner, what more do I need?

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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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> On Mar 8, 2018, at 1:07 PM, keydel <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> it won't track unless I specifically tell it I'm exercising.
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> Incorrect. It tracks steps, heart rate, and standing regardless of whether or not you have invoked a specific workout (which, by the way, my Garmin required, as well). For many people who didn’t regularly exercise in the past, this is sufficient.

I know it tracks that stuff, but it won't close the exercise ring unless you engage a workout (or do *really* strenuous activity which will count as "exercise"). For some reason, "steps" don't count as "exercise."

Since I have a bad knee and can't do normal "exercise," I need steps and other routine activity to count as exercise and AW won't do that unless I explicitly start a workout (which is way too much trouble).


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On Mar 8, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Adam Engst <[hidden email]> wrote:

Of course, all this depends on what you consider fitness. For me, it involves accurate distance and speed tracking and reporting, no-look usage, easily accessed lap functionality, and connectivity with services like Garmin Connect and Strava. 

Yeah, I think that’s the key here. The people who don’t like the AW as a fitness device seem to be the highly involved people who do religiously regimented workouts, and detailed analyses of their workouts, and use specialized monitoring devices, and so on. I can absolutely see why the AW is not a good fitness device for them. They’re the top percentile of the population with respect to fitness, and they’re typically not the people Apple targets with their devices.

For myself - who was a distance runner back in high school, but did enough damage to my knees and hips that I can’t run very far without serious pain - the AW is a generally very good fitness device. I don’t run 10K’s anymore, or try to get that last bit of effort out of a workout. At this point in my life, I just need exercise to keep my cardiovascular system healthy, and keep my weight down - my requirements aren’t demanding, what I need is something that motivates me to exercise, and tracks my activity well enough to get a reasonable idea of how much I’m doing. The AW does a good job of that while staying simple and easy to use, which is what I need. It’s a typical Apple product - designed to make something easy to do for the average person, who needs moderate functionality executed well - not the specialist with highly optimized needs.

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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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On Mar 8, 2018, at 3:24 PM, Zeedar Marc <[hidden email]> wrote:

I need steps and other routine activity to count as exercise and AW won't do that unless I explicitly start a workout (which is way too much trouble).

Then something is wrong with your Apple Watch. I’m looking at mine right now, and without having started a workout today, I have 3,523 steps for the day.

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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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On Mar 8, 2018, at 3:24 PM, Zeedar Marc <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Mar 8, 2018, at 1:07 PM, keydel <[hidden email]> wrote:

it won't track unless I specifically tell it I'm exercising.

Incorrect. It tracks steps, heart rate, and standing regardless of whether or not you have invoked a specific workout (which, by the way, my Garmin required, as well). For many people who didn’t regularly exercise in the past, this is sufficient.

I know it tracks that stuff, but it won't close the exercise ring unless you engage a workout (or do *really* strenuous activity which will count as "exercise"). For some reason, "steps" don't count as "exercise."

Right, and that seems reasonable to me. As I understand it, it defines 'exercise' as activity strenuous enough to, well, actually *exercise* your body - not just burning calories, but accelerated heart rate, deeper breathing, aerobic generation of energy, and so forth - because that’s the kind of 'exercise' that strengthens your heart and lungs, along with your other muscles, and makes you healthier.


If you’re doing activity with 'steps' that burns calories, but doesn’t raise your heart rate or bring you into the aerobic zone, then it isn’t the kind of 'exercise' that counts towards making you healthier in a cardiovascular sense.

Since I have a bad knee and can't do normal "exercise," I need steps and other routine activity to count as exercise and AW won't do that unless I explicitly start a workout (which is way too much trouble).

I also have a bad knee (and a bad hip), and can’t run either. But I can walk for long enough periods, with or without a faster pace, to exercise my heart and bring me into the aerobic workout zone. That’s how I close my exercise ring. (And if I pay attention to my workouts, they do *not* automatically count as exercise; I often start an open-ended workout when I go out walking and taking pictures at a local park, and the times I stop to shoot photos do not count as exercise. Only movement with an elevated heart rate, or above a certain level of motion, counts.)

Having activities that *don’t* exercise the heart or burn calories aerobically count towards the exercise ring betrays the entire *point* of the exercise ring - which is to build up your heart, lungs, muscles, blood circulation system, etc.

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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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On Mar 8, 2018, at 3:42 PM, keydel <[hidden email]> wrote:



On Mar 8, 2018, at 3:24 PM, Zeedar Marc <[hidden email]> wrote:

I need steps and other routine activity to count as exercise and AW won't do that unless I explicitly start a workout (which is way too much trouble).

Then something is wrong with your Apple Watch. I’m looking at mine right now, and without having started a workout today, I have 3,523 steps for the day.

I think he's talking about having activity show up on the green Exercise ring, not just as steps or as calories on the Move ring.

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Re: Apple Watch joins UnitedHealthcare's walking incentive plan - CNET

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On Mar 8, 2018, at 3:56 PM, Travis Butler <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think he's talking about having activity show up on the green Exercise ring, not just as steps or as calories on the Move ring.

Got it— my bad.

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