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John Robinson-3
"Apple has started reacting to market trends, rather than defining them. The iPad Mini, the iPhone 5c, the iPhone 6 Plus, and the Apple Watch are respectively reactions to 7-inch tablets, cheap Android phones, phablets, and smartwatches. That's the key difference between Jobs and Cook -- Jobs boldly introduced products that the public didn't know they wanted. Cook launches products based on existing market trends."          From a recent Motley Fool article.


Is Cook a responsible caretaker only? I hope not.

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Re: Caretaker

Marilyn Matty

> "Apple has started reacting to market trends, rather than defining them. The iPad Mini, the iPhone 5c, the iPhone 6 Plus, and the Apple Watch are respectively reactions to 7-inch tablets, cheap Android phones, phablets, and smartwatches. That's the key difference between Jobs and Cook -- Jobs boldly introduced products that the public didn't know they wanted. Cook launches products based on existing market trends."          From a recent Motley Fool article.
>
> Is Cook a responsible caretaker only? I hope not.

There is a difference between disruption and imitation; iMac, MacBook, iPhone, iPad, iPod were all "reactions" that disrupted existing categories and upended competitive marketplaces. What Apple has always done was to identify what consumers really would want in a product before they knew they wanted it. They made desktop, laptop, phones, tablets, etc. a joy to use. LaserWriter revolutionized the desktop market, as did Apple's mouse and the GUI interface. Apple revolutionized the music business. I could go on and on.

Apple has even reacted to their own product lines; I'm sure Steve Jobs knew that iPhone would cannibalize iPod sales. And I'm sure he knew there would be a never ending onslaught of cheaper phones, etc. Samsung has been selling more phones than Apple for a few years now, but their profits have fallen and Apple's have risen. But no matter what Samsung's ads say, they are basically a cheaper knockoff of iPhone, esp. now that 6 Plus is here.

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Re: Caretaker

Randy B. Singer
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On Nov 13, 2014, at 5:42 PM, John Robinson wrote:

> "Apple has started reacting to market trends, rather than defining them. The iPad Mini, the iPhone 5c, the iPhone 6 Plus, and the Apple Watch are respectively reactions to 7-inch tablets, cheap Android phones, phablets, and smartwatches. That's the key difference between Jobs and Cook -- Jobs boldly introduced products that the public didn't know they wanted. Cook launches products based on existing market trends."          From a recent Motley Fool article.
>
>
> Is Cook a responsible caretaker only? I hope not.

Apple has never been the first in a product category.  Their genius has been in identifying product categories that have huge potential, and then, when they have entered those categories,  offered a product so refined and enjoyable to use that consumers find it irresistible.

Note that Apple has probably been working on a smart watch for years now.  They haven't rushed their's to market like their competitors have.  (In fact, other manufacturers have problem rushed their smart watches to market because they heard that Apple was working on one.)  But it's likely that when Apple releases theirs that it will eclipse all the others.

And can we finally give Cook a break?  For goodness sake, Apple's stock is up to almost 113 today, the company is making money hand over fist, their products are moving forward and are extremely desirable all over the world, etc.   Try not to get excited every time that there is a slow news day and some hack blog publishes click-bait.

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Re: Caretaker

Marc Zeedar-2
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On Nov 13, 2014, at 5:42 PM, John Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> "Apple has started reacting to market trends, rather than defining them...  From a recent Motley Fool article.
>
> Is Cook a responsible caretaker only? I hope not.

The type of revolutions that Steve Jobs and Apple has done that people are wanting again and again are _incredibly_ rare. It's ridiculous to expect those to happen every few years.

The only reason we've had so many so close together in the past two decades is because they've come out of the ubiquitousness of the Internet, which has enabled so much that was impossible before.

It's getting harder to imagine what entire industries will be uprooted in the future. (Already Apple has enabled publishing, the music industry, mobile computing, etc.) The big one I see that's left is television, and that's a tough nut to crack because the current business models are so entrenched and hard to disrupt.

The one item in the Motley Fool statement above I'd disagree with is the Apple Watch. It's not a response to anything. Apple has already revealed it was started on right after Steve's death, so Steve didn't have much input (if any). That's also *long* before Pebble and other so-called "smartwatches" came along, and most of those were answers to whatever people thought Apple might be coming out with.

It's already clear to me that Apple Watch is something completely different. Yes, it has some "smartwatch" features, but it's much more than that. Apple's approach to it shows that. They know something. They've been thinking about it for a long time. (I believe they haven't told us everything and they'll reveal more details when the product is actually released.)

I'm not going to say it'll be successful or revolutionary; time and the market will decide that. But it's definitely something new and not a response to anything. I think it will define the Tim Cook era at Apple. If it's a flop, he'll bear the blame. If it's a success, it will show that Apple is more than Steve Jobs.

(I do think some things Apple has done recently *are* a response to competition. The most obvious are the larger screens of the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus. However, that form of copying is not a bad thing in and of itself.)

Even if Tim ends up only being a "caretaker," though, as long as he's a good one, why is that a negative? There's plenty of "iterative" and "evolutionary" improvements that Apple can continue to make on their products. We don't need a revolutionary new products every two years. As long as Apple keeps improving their products, I'm a delighted customer. (And frankly, I think Apple's product line has never been stronger. The iPhone 6 and iPad Air 2 are fantastic, as is the Retina iMac, and the Retina MBP.)


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Re: Caretaker

Marilyn Matty
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> On Nov 14, 2014, at 12:51 AM, "Randy B. Singer" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 5:42 PM, John Robinson wrote:
>>
>> "Apple has started reacting to market trends, rather than defining them. The iPad Mini, the iPhone 5c, the iPhone 6 Plus, and the Apple Watch are respectively reactions to 7-inch tablets, cheap Android
>
> Note that Apple has probably been working on a smart watch for years now.  They haven't rushed their's to market like their competitors have.  (In fact, other manufacturers have problem rushed their smart watches to market because they heard that Apple was working on one.)  But it's likely that when Apple releases theirs that it will eclipse all the others.

In addition to the products, there are also Apple's services. Without iTunes, iPod would probably have been a big flop, ditto for iPhone and the App Store. And now there's Apple Pay. And if your Apple device breaks, you can bring it to an Apple Store.

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Re: Caretaker

Qazwart
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> On Nov 13, 2014, at 8:42 PM, John Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Apple has started reacting to market trends,

When Jobs first got to Apple, the computer market had ossified. IE6 still ruled, Windows XP was a bag of security holes and incompatible features. The tablet market never took off, and phones were using specialized "wap" web pages.

There was a lot of room for improvement. Now, we see innovation everywhere. Android has changed from a faint imitation of iOS to a strong competitor. Google has decided design is more important than features. Very few people go outside of Google Play to get applications. The default mode of Android makes that impossible. The UI is much more unified.

The computer market is filled with thin light laptops and even Windows machine track pads are better. It took Microsoft a few tries, but the Surface 3 an incredible machine. Windows 10 finally gets the UI right with two separate modes that don't constantly flip back and forth confusing the user.

No one is sitting around smugly living on past glory. Everyone is innovating and constantly changing.

Also, the iPad and iPhones are perfect platforms that can add innovation. They're small, thin, and light. Add sensors, add software, and you have innovation. There's little need for a new hardware platform.

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Re: Caretaker

Jack Rodgers
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On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:51 AM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Apple has never been the first in a product category.  Their genius has
> been in identifying product categories that have huge potential, and then,
> when they have entered those categories,  offered a product so refined and
> enjoyable to use that consumers find it irresistible.


​Agreed. And don't forget the simplicity Apple brought from confusion in
Plug and Play. It seems so natural now but the PC world was a mess and
installing a printer was a complicated, messy thing. Apple produced the
installer floppy and then you just plugged in the LaserWriter. Fonts were
earth shattering. Install thousands of fonts from a floppy? PCs had to
purchase and use a cartridge.

​Apple was years behind with AppleTalk but finally saw the light and made
Ethernet plug and play. Try that on a PC way back when.

Doonesbury did have lots of fun with the Newton.

Read the history of things and you'll find that Apple did change the world
and did become a leader and was copied by lots and lots of companies.

As a long time consultant I had lots of fun when the techies from Linux or
whatever it is called moved over to Apple and began talking about how to
use code to move files and delete them and other things and I would tell
them how to drag and drop and select and hit delete. I moved to Apple to
get rid of the command line and here they were reveling in it.

Apple did what I learned to do as a database designer. Hide all of the
complexity behind a simple menu item or the plugging in of a peripheral. I
could hide all of the complex steps of a monthly billing involving hundreds
and thousands of invoices and payments for a hundred or more accounts
behind one button "Print Monthly Statements" that would do the work of 15
clerks with typewriters and calculators in one hour as printing takes time
vs one week.

My iPad Mini turns itself off when I close the cover. We don't think much
about it, especially the youth who don't know anything else and who never
pushed the start button and waited 3 minutes or had to click shutdown.

I'm waiting for Apple to deliver the hologram of Obi Wan Kenobee.



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Re: Caretaker

Jack Rodgers
I discovered yesterday that Google Maps displayed a floor plan with a red
dot for me of the local library while I was there. Amazing. When I zoomed
in the details where much like what you'd see on an architects blueprint.

Since Google is generating large sums of advertising dollars without the
need to design, manufacture, sell and repair hardware (at least for now) it
will be sending someone to Mars while Apple doesn't.

Remember how Apple began displaying products with a three dimensional spin
on its axis photograph? Google Maps has streetview which goes a step
further.

I wonder if Apple should have spent those Billions on something other than
earphones?

Cheap drones are being sold by many companies for a few hundred dollars.
There are fascinating YouTube videos of 50-100 small matchbook sized drones
performing synchronized flight.

Would I buy an Apple drone that would fly over to my table and pickup
something and bring it to me?

How about wifi charging built into my iPad. It's coming for automobiles
much like I predicted years ago and was hooted down. Now here's my latest
question, what about converting the wifi signals already available into
electrical energy? Or other radio waves or radar waves.


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Jack Rodgers <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:51 AM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Apple has never been the first in a product category.  Their genius has
>> been in identifying product categories that have huge potential, and then,
>> when they have entered those categories,  offered a product so refined and
>> enjoyable to use that consumers find it irresistible.
>
>
> ​Agreed. And don't forget the simplicity Apple brought from confusion in
> Plug and Play. It seems so natural now but the PC world was a mess and
> installing a printer was a complicated, messy thing. Apple produced the
> installer floppy and then you just plugged in the LaserWriter. Fonts were
> earth shattering. Install thousands of fonts from a floppy? PCs had to
> purchase and use a cartridge.
>
> ​Apple was years behind with AppleTalk but finally saw the light and made
> Ethernet plug and play. Try that on a PC way back when.
>
> Doonesbury did have lots of fun with the Newton.
>
> Read the history of things and you'll find that Apple did change the world
> and did become a leader and was copied by lots and lots of companies.
>
> As a long time consultant I had lots of fun when the techies from Linux or
> whatever it is called moved over to Apple and began talking about how to
> use code to move files and delete them and other things and I would tell
> them how to drag and drop and select and hit delete. I moved to Apple to
> get rid of the command line and here they were reveling in it.
>
> Apple did what I learned to do as a database designer. Hide all of the
> complexity behind a simple menu item or the plugging in of a peripheral. I
> could hide all of the complex steps of a monthly billing involving hundreds
> and thousands of invoices and payments for a hundred or more accounts
> behind one button "Print Monthly Statements" that would do the work of 15
> clerks with typewriters and calculators in one hour as printing takes time
> vs one week.
>
> My iPad Mini turns itself off when I close the cover. We don't think much
> about it, especially the youth who don't know anything else and who never
> pushed the start button and waited 3 minutes or had to click shutdown.
>
> I'm waiting for Apple to deliver the hologram of Obi Wan Kenobee.
>
>
>
> --
> ***
> *Jack Rodgers, Jr*
>
> *Made In the US By Robots\*
>
> *SolarPaint: liquid solar cells that can be used to paint buildings, cars
> and trucks, etc and applied over wires to conduct the electricty.*
>
> Amazing Robot Ping Pong Match <http://www.kuka-timoboll.com/en/home/>
>



--
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Re: Caretaker

Fearghas McKay
Jack

> On 14 Nov 2014, at 14:59, Jack Rodgers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Since Google is generating large sums of advertising dollars without the
> need to design, manufacture, sell and repair hardware (at least for now) it
> will be sending someone to Mars while Apple doesn't.

You must have missed the class where we looked at all of Google’s data centres, fibre networks, custom servers and air conditioning. Google is definitely in the hardware game, you just don’t see it.

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Re: Caretaker

Jack Rodgers
Really? I thought Google used a GoDaddy website.   😱

Apple also uses a giant data center, etc.

Of course I was referring to products for sale such as MacBoks, etc.

On Friday, November 14, 2014, Fearghas McKay <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Jack
>
> > On 14 Nov 2014, at 14:59, Jack Rodgers <[hidden email]
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > Since Google is generating large sums of advertising dollars without the
> > need to design, manufacture, sell and repair hardware (at least for now)
> it
> > will be sending someone to Mars while Apple doesn't.
>
> You must have missed the class where we looked at all of Google’s data
> centres, fibre networks, custom servers and air conditioning. Google is
> definitely in the hardware game, you just don’t see it.
>
>         f
>
>

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Re: Caretaker

@lbutlr
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On Nov 13, 2014, at 6:42 PM, John Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
> "Apple has started reacting to market trends, rather than defining them.

Ridiculous.

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Re: Caretaker

Marilyn Matty
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> On Nov 14, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Jack Rodgers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Apple did what I learned to do as a database designer. Hide all of the
> complexity behind a simple menu item or the plugging in of a peripheral.

I cannot forget how torturous it was to have to do spreadsheets with a calculator before VisiCalc, which Mac made possible. Or that FileMaker was initially an Apple product, and all the horrors that were inflicted on me by FoxPro and Access.

Marilyn


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Re: Caretaker

Jerry King
I think that Apple still owns FileMaker Pro but is hands off WRT them

Jerry
> On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Marilyn Matty <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Or that FileMaker was initially an Apple product, and all the horrors that were inflicted on me by FoxPro and Access



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Re: Caretaker

Marilyn Matty
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> On Nov 14, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Jack Rodgers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I wonder if Apple should have spent those Billions on something other than
> earphones?

I'm sure Apple wanted that Beats streaming music service, along with Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Dre, a lot more than the headphones. These two guys are talent magnets with great relationships with artists, and it could mean a lot for iTunes as well as Beats, and iTunes' music sales have been dropping:

http://stockmarketbloggers.com/apple-itunes-sees-drop-in-music-sales/

And there's the recent hoo-ha about Taylor Swift pulling her music off Spotify while staying on iTunes:

http://online.wsj.com/articles/spotify-says-taylor-swift-pulls-her-music-from-service-1415035751

After the Beats/Apple music deal was announced, I suspected that Google or Amazon would try to buy Spotify, Pandora or some other streaming service, but Google had something better up their sleeves:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/13/business/media/youtube-introduces-a-paid-service-called-music-key.html?_r=0

What would iPod to iPhone have been without reasonably priced content? Apple changed the music business by being "caretakers" that made artists and consumers happy.

Marilyn




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Re: Caretaker

Marilyn Matty
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> On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Jerome King <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I think that Apple still owns FileMaker Pro but is hands off WRT them
>

It was spun off years ago during the time when just about everyone except for TIdBITS Talkers and readers thought Apple was going out of business. Apple also needed to position it as a cross platform product.

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Re: Caretaker

Fritz Mills
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Actually Filemaker was initially developed by a company named Nashoba that was started in the early 80’s by some Wang engineers in Boston. Claris, which was Apple’s software subsidiary, bought Nashoba in 1986 or 1987. From the start, though, it had essentially the same interface and ease of use it has today, as that was part of the vision of the original founders and no doubt what attracted Apple.

On Nov 14, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Marilyn Matty <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> I cannot forget how torturous it was to have to do spreadsheets with a calculator before VisiCalc, which Mac made possible. Or that FileMaker was initially an Apple product, and all the horrors that were inflicted on me by FoxPro and Access.
>
> Marilyn
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Re: Caretaker

Fritz Mills
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No, actually, it wasn’t. Claris, Apple's software subsidiary was going to be spun off, but eventually Apple decided that the only product worth continuing was Filemaker so they discontinued ClarisWorks (which was later resurrected as AppleWorks) and the other Claris products, and renamed the company Filemaker, Inc. But it’s still owned by Apple.


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Re: Caretaker

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Okay. But about a year ago when we had Bento person pitching Bento she said FileMaker Pro, Inc was still owned (don't know percentage) by Apple.

Certainly Apple Stores trained their sales people to teach Bento for a while and I don't think they do that for any other non-Apple software

But I've not looked at any corporate reports because I don't think there are any for FileMaker.

I always think they  hide the Apple link to assure sales into non-Apple environments.


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>> I think that Apple still owns FileMaker Pro but is hands off WRT them
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Re: Caretaker

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Thanks Fritz.  Makes me feel my memory isn't all gone.


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> On Nov 14, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Fritz Mills <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> No, actually, it wasn’t. Claris, Apple's software subsidiary was going to be spun off, but eventually Apple decided that the only product worth continuing was Filemaker so they discontinued ClarisWorks (which was later resurrected as AppleWorks) and the other Claris products, and renamed the company Filemaker, Inc. But it’s still owned by Apple.
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>> On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:05 PM, Marilyn Matty <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Re: Caretaker

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I goofed, sorry.

Marilyn

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> Actually Filemaker was initially developed by a company named Nashoba that was started in the early 80’s by some Wang engineers in Boston. Claris, which was Apple’s software subsidiary, bought Nashoba in 1986 or 1987. From the start, though, it had essentially the same interface and ease of use it has today, as that was part of the vision of the original founders and no doubt what attracted Apple.
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>> I cannot forget how torturous it was to have to do spreadsheets with a calculator before VisiCalc, which Mac made possible. Or that FileMaker was initially an Apple product, and all the horrors that were inflicted on me by FoxPro and Access.
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