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Re: Caretaker

Chris Poterala
You forget about how many services Google has started and then dropped
in its short history.

Google Reader
Google Wave
Google Answers
Google Browser Sync
Google Desktop
iGoogle
Google Notebook
Google Health ("We will make it easier for you and your doctor to
track your health records/data/etc.")
Picnik
Google Q
Google Latitude
...and many others.

Google strikes me as heaving the short attention span for items.
Apple, since Jobs returned, has been in their lines of business for
the long haul.

Google TV?

I haven't checked into Google Rocket so I don't know if they will
actually enter the spaceflight business (I doubt it), but so what if
they want to send someone to Mars and Apple doesn't. Kraft, Ford and
Pepsico also aren't in the space business but they're doing okay.

Drones? What's the use case for Apple to enter the market? So you can
have a napkin delivered to you across the room? Doesn't sound like a
product with much mark-up opportunity.

Apple is clearly more of a darling on Wall Street. It's market cap is
44% higher than Google. Yes, Google does well, but Apple's performance
is simply out of site.

Apple's in great shape. They don't need a home run every year. Focus
and laser like attention to detail have done them well.

Chris


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On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Jack Rodgers <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I discovered yesterday that Google Maps displayed a floor plan with a red
> dot for me of the local library while I was there. Amazing. When I zoomed
> in the details where much like what you'd see on an architects blueprint.
>
> Since Google is generating large sums of advertising dollars without the
> need to design, manufacture, sell and repair hardware (at least for now) it
> will be sending someone to Mars while Apple doesn't.
>
> Remember how Apple began displaying products with a three dimensional spin
> on its axis photograph? Google Maps has streetview which goes a step
> further.
>
> I wonder if Apple should have spent those Billions on something other than
> earphones?
>
> Cheap drones are being sold by many companies for a few hundred dollars.
> There are fascinating YouTube videos of 50-100 small matchbook sized drones
> performing synchronized flight.
>
> Would I buy an Apple drone that would fly over to my table and pickup
> something and bring it to me?
>
> How about wifi charging built into my iPad. It's coming for automobiles
> much like I predicted years ago and was hooted down. Now here's my latest
> question, what about converting the wifi signals already available into
> electrical energy? Or other radio waves or radar waves.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Jack Rodgers <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:51 AM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Apple has never been the first in a product category.  Their genius has
>>> been in identifying product categories that have huge potential, and then,
>>> when they have entered those categories,  offered a product so refined and
>>> enjoyable to use that consumers find it irresistible.
>>
>>
>> Agreed. And don't forget the simplicity Apple brought from confusion in
>> Plug and Play. It seems so natural now but the PC world was a mess and
>> installing a printer was a complicated, messy thing. Apple produced the
>> installer floppy and then you just plugged in the LaserWriter. Fonts were
>> earth shattering. Install thousands of fonts from a floppy? PCs had to
>> purchase and use a cartridge.
>>
>> Apple was years behind with AppleTalk but finally saw the light and made
>> Ethernet plug and play. Try that on a PC way back when.
>>
>> Doonesbury did have lots of fun with the Newton.
>>
>> Read the history of things and you'll find that Apple did change the world
>> and did become a leader and was copied by lots and lots of companies.
>>
>> As a long time consultant I had lots of fun when the techies from Linux or
>> whatever it is called moved over to Apple and began talking about how to
>> use code to move files and delete them and other things and I would tell
>> them how to drag and drop and select and hit delete. I moved to Apple to
>> get rid of the command line and here they were reveling in it.
>>
>> Apple did what I learned to do as a database designer. Hide all of the
>> complexity behind a simple menu item or the plugging in of a peripheral. I
>> could hide all of the complex steps of a monthly billing involving hundreds
>> and thousands of invoices and payments for a hundred or more accounts
>> behind one button "Print Monthly Statements" that would do the work of 15
>> clerks with typewriters and calculators in one hour as printing takes time
>> vs one week.
>>
>> My iPad Mini turns itself off when I close the cover. We don't think much
>> about it, especially the youth who don't know anything else and who never
>> pushed the start button and waited 3 minutes or had to click shutdown.
>>
>> I'm waiting for Apple to deliver the hologram of Obi Wan Kenobee.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Caretaker

Alexander Forbes

> On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Chris Poterala <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> You forget about how many services Google has started and then dropped
> in its short history.
>
> Google Reader
> Google Wave
> Google Answers
> Google Browser Sync
> Google Desktop
> iGoogle
> Google Notebook
> Google Health ("We will make it easier for you and your doctor to
> track your health records/data/etc.")
> Picnik
> Google Q
> Google Latitude
> ...and many others.

Wikipedia: “Google closed Google Reader on July 1, 2013, citing declining use.”

"Declining," or “deprecated?" I depended on it for a number of convenient RSS feeds in my morning mail. A friend recommended a freeware replacement I never liked. I just stopped using RSS; never used it on the web browsers that did or do support it. I expect Google all but killed RSS off.

Google Notebook? I went EverNote, building a very large, organized central repository of notes, tech tips, text files, logs and such. If I’d had a large time investment in Google Notebook instead, I’d have been furious. (I use iClouds Notes for more transient stuff like shopping lists).

In my recent experience, Apple rarely leaves users stranded and just holding the bag … iPhoto is rumored to be replaced next year but the operative phrase is still “replaced,” not “peremptorily ash-canned.”

Alex

 


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Re: Caretaker

@lbutlr
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> On Nov 14, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Marilyn Matty <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Jerome King <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I think that Apple still owns FileMaker Pro but is hands off WRT them
>>
>
> It was spun off years ago during the time when just about everyone except for TIdBITS Talkers and readers thought Apple was going out of business. Apple also needed to position it as a cross platform product.

“Spun off” is not right. It is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Apple Inc.

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Re: Caretaker

Jack Rodgers
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​FileMaker's roots began in DOS named Nutshell. If anyone used one of the
DOS db programs, you know how ugly and painful it was. The product was
migrated to Macintosh land and named FileMaker.

Nashoba moved to Macs and the graphical layouts that made Filemaker so easy
to use even though it was a pretty dumb flat file database with a few
unique features. Compared to dBase it was really easy to use. I created a
multi file solution that ran our air conditioning company.

It went through a versions 0-4 before Apple bought it in 1988 and renamed
Filemaker 4 as FileMaker II to match its existing software line later
adding Pro to make it sound more awesome. It really wasn't as it wasn't
relational while everyone else was but it was easy to use which everyone
else wasn't. Joe Small Business owner could create an invoice and list who
owed him money. They can still do this but get lost in the current
complexity and feature set.

FileMaker Pro 3 introduced relational files which were a bit messy until
FileMaker Pro 7 introduced an entirely new format and a graphical
relationship graph with drag and drop relationships such as 4th Dimension
had for almost a decade.

There are still man features missing in Filemaker such as sortable arrays
but since most users are not that sophisticated they don't miss this.

Before Apple purchased Filemaker it considered several databases and
SilverSurfer, 4th Dimension, was one of them. 4th Dimension is a much more
demanding and higher level database than FileMaker and the novice would
find it difficult to use, hence FileMaker was purchased.

FileMaker dropped Bento last year. I think it was because Bento had such
cool features and often made Go look bad.

FileMaker runs on Windows and Macs and currently with version 13 can run
FileMaker Pro files on Windows 8, several Windows tablets, all Macs,
iPhone, iPad and Touch using FileMaker Go.

FileMaker Pro 13 introduced Web Direct which finally uses the layouts
created in FileMaker Pro 13 as Web Pages which is nice. One layout can be
used, if it is designed properly which is difficult, on iPhone, iPad,
laptops and in a browser. Or a layout for each as needed.

Due to the ease of use there are many files on hosted servers that are
totally insecure and expose the clients personal information to anyone who
can locate the file and has FileMaker pro. I've seen files exposing credit
card numbers, etc. I've also seen one lawyers file that revealed
information on 50,000 arrest cases. There are files using HIPPA information
that aren't secured properly.

There is no independent accreditation body for FileMaker developers or
their files although FileMaker offers a sticker for Certified Developer if
you can pass a 100 or so question test that only shows you can read a PDF
file and answer questions about it. I am guessing that if there was a
professional level accrediting body that took itself serious, 90% or higher
of all of the existing database created with FileMaker would fail to get a
qualified stamp of approval.

And, yes, I have purchased and upgraded to every version of Filemaker
shipped on Macs​ plus all of the others. I am lazy so I use Filemaker, or
at least I did. I may again.


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Re: Caretaker

Jack Rodgers
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Everyone in the PC World and writers who made a living saying Apple was
going out of business. Mac people knew it was quite profitable and made
excellent products until those disastrous years when it tried to make cheap
Macs and license the OS.

Even with Apple selling millions of units on announcement day, there are
still those who say Apple is going out of business.

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Marilyn Matty <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> > On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Jerome King <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > I think that Apple still owns FileMaker Pro but is hands off WRT them
> >
>
> It was spun off years ago during the time when just about everyone except
> for TIdBITS Talkers and readers thought Apple was going out of business.
> Apple also needed to position it as a cross platform product.
>
> Marilyn
>
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Re: Caretaker

adamengst
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Let's shut this thread down - this ground has been covered a million times
before and nothing new is being said.

cheers... -Adam


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Re: Caretaker

David Ross
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On 11/14/14 1:23 PM, Jack Rodgers wrote:
> Of course I was referring to products for sale such as MacBoks, etc.

Jack

Google has products that they sell. For billion$ per year. Just not as
much as Apple. And most of their products are SOLD to companies and
institutions, not individuals.

Apple is taking the other end of the game.

In 10 years we'll see if one of them made a bad bet.

David


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