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John Ferman-2
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but here goes. One of the issues is FB tracing one's app use. To me an app is a bit of code that enables one to do something that sits all by itself in computer, tablet, smartphone memory. How can FB know I use any particular one? Is it that FB puts in a 'wide-scale' cookie that is beyond one's web browser? If so, what we need is a greater ability to disable cookies.

Any clear descriptions welcome.

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Re: Facebook Question

Michael Gillman
Facebook has let apps that run on it's platform see your user data and that of your friends on Facebook, not apps on your phone or computers though if you run an Android phone Facebook Messenger can see your address book.

Mike

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 9:36 AM, John Ferman <[hidden email]> wrote:
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but here goes. One of the issues is FB tracing one's app use. To me an app is a bit of code that enables one to do something that sits all by itself in computer, tablet, smartphone memory. How can FB know I use any particular one? Is it that FB puts in a 'wide-scale' cookie that is beyond one's web browser? If so, what we need is a greater ability to disable cookies.

Any clear descriptions welcome.

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Re: Facebook Question

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On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:36 AM, John Ferman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but here goes. One of the issues is FB tracing one's app use. To me an app is a bit of code that enables one to do something that sits all by itself in computer, tablet, smartphone memory. How can FB know I use any particular one? Is it that FB puts in a 'wide-scale' cookie that is beyond one's web browser? If so, what we need is a greater ability to disable cookies.

I don’t know if this will be helpful or not, but a Facebook “App” is a piece of third party software that resides on a remote server, so far as I’ve ever heard, probably but not necessarily Facebook's. The ones I have seen shared by others are silly game apps, and it's obvious they have to mine all kinds of data from Facebook in order to tell us who our best friends are, whether we like Easter eggs, and so forth. I never play them.

It is not clear yet to what extent Facebook uses cookies, or whether third party apps are allowed to access or install cookies. I understand that Chrome offers a “incognito” mode where you can browse a site without it knowing who you are, but I doubt that would be compatible with Facebook and you would have to log in anyway.

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Re: Facebook Question

Marilyn Matty
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On Apr 12, 2018, at 12:36 PM, John Ferman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but here goes. One of the issues is FB tracing one's app use.

Use of a downloaded app is just a small portion of the pie. In the case Of Cambridge Analytica, and many other unnamed apps, the company was able to download more than just the wealth of information sitting on Facebook's servers. (To keep this on topic, Apple devices are sandboxed and App Store apps strictly vetted for privacy and security.) Facebook allowed Cambridge Analytica to scrape info and track behavior of all the their Friends, and to look backward and forward to track and analyze behavior. They were also able to easily download phone logs from Android users, etc. etc.,etc.

This is how they were able to glom on a lot of very intimate details of the activities, opinions, purchasing patterns, desires and tendencies of the 87 million people Facebook admits were compromised, though only a very few hundred thousand actually downloaded the app.

To me an app is a bit of code that enables one to do something that sits all by itself in computer, tablet, smartphone memory. How can FB know I use any particular one? Is it that FB puts in a 'wide-scale' cookie that is beyond one's web browser? If so, what we need is a greater ability to disable cookies.


Cookies are just part of the power of Facebook's analytics and tracking of its over 2 billion active members, as is the scraping I mentioned above. Here's how easy it is for an advertiser to share Facebook "Pixel" aka "cookie" info with third parties:

To share your Facebook pixel:

  1. Go to your Business Manager.
  2. Click Settings.
  3. Click Pixels
    • To share your pixel with individual accounts, click Assign Ad Accounts, select the accounts and click Save Changes
    • To share your pixel with an agency, click Assign Partner, enter the agency's Business ID and click Confirm. The Business ID is located under the Info tab of the agency's Business Manager Settings.

      Keep in mind when you share your pixel with someone, they'll be able to see all your pixel info in their Ads Manager. 


It wasn't much, if at all, harder for Facebook app developers to grab a lot more info from a lot more sources inside and outside of Facebook. I highly recommend reading this article I bookmarked a few months ago. 


Marilyn




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Re: Facebook Question

Marilyn Matty
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> On Apr 12, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Alexander Forbes <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I don’t know if this will be helpful or not, but a Facebook “App” is a piece of third party software that resides on a remote server, so far as I’ve ever heard, probably but not necessarily Facebook's. The ones I have seen shared by others are silly game apps, and it's obvious they have to mine all kinds of data from Facebook in order to tell us who our best friends are, whether we like Easter eggs, and so forth. I never play them.

A big reason why I pay a lot of more money for Apple products is because privacy and security is very important to me. It's also a reason why I've never been a member of Facebook.

I've worked in media for more decades than I care to admit I'm old, and I'm very familiar with consumer data tracking and how much it's evolved, and how rapidly the evolution had exploded over the last few years. Just because you've done something, bought something, or signed off to do something fun, etc., it doesn't mean that this info isn't being sold and combined with other info - repeatedly.

Facebook became one of the biggest and most successful companies in the world because of the in depth knowledge it has gathered about billions of people, including "shadows" like me that never joined. They are a media company that precisely targets discreet groups of people and enables their clients to hit a bullseye every time. Think about all the services they offer as part of their social network..messaging, video, photos, product info, reviews and opinions, restaurant info, reminders, travel info, etc.
They are in the business of selling access to people's hearts and minds. The more they can gather about an individual, the better they can target messages.

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