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Features that have gone missing in Sierra

adamengst
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Hi folks,

I’m doing an article on features that have disappeared in Sierra, including PPTP VPNs, fax modem support, and the separation of system vs format language. Anything else that anyone knows about from El Capitan that’s gone missing in Sierra?

cheers... -Adam



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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

David Rostenne
Hey Adam.. I noticed yesterday that the option to turn Time Machine on and off is gone.. there’s just a checkbox to “Backup Automatically”.

I wanted to turn it off, as my laptop is a test machine and gets lots of drives hooked up, and for every one I now get a “Do you want to use this for backups…”. The checkbox is empty. Grumble.

Cheers,

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> On 12-October-2016, at 10:47 AM, Adam Engst <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> cheers... -Adam
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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

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On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:57 AM, David Rostenne <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hey Adam.. I noticed yesterday that the option to turn Time Machine on and off is gone.. there’s just a checkbox to “Backup Automatically”.

I wanted to turn it off, as my laptop is a test machine and gets lots of drives hooked up, and for every one I now get a “Do you want to use this for backups…”. The checkbox is empty. Grumble.

OK, so if I’m understanding you correctly, you’re saying that in El Capitan, turning Time Machine off had the effect of disabling backups AND not asking you every time you connected an external drive, whereas in Sierra, deselecting “Back Up Automatically” prevents Time Machine from backing up, but doesn’t eliminate the prompts when you connect an external drive.

When I have that checkbox deselected and I connect a random external drive, nothing happened at first. But then I realized that I had an OS X Server Time Machine backup service configured, so I deleted that. Still nothing happened. Then I restarted, and got the prompt you’re talking about. I clicked Don’t Use (not Decide Later!), and restarted again. This time I wasn’t prompted.

So it would seem that although the interface and behavior you’re describing is slightly new, it’s only a matter of dismissing a particular drive as a potential backup destination once. Does that feel different enough to call out?

cheers... -Adam



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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

Richard Rettke

On 12 Oct 2016, at 12:55, Adam Engst [hidden email] wrote:

So it would seem that although the interface and behavior you’re describing is slightly new, it’s only a matter of dismissing a particular drive as a potential backup destination once. Does that feel different enough to call out?

Hi Adam, I too had noticed the change in Time Machine but have not noticed any other changes in it's behavior. I just accepted the change as being from an On/Off Switch to On/Off Checkbox. Looks like purely a human interface change to me.

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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

Mark Chaffin
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The PgUp and PgDn keys on the extended keyboard don’t seem to work in Preview; only the up/down arrow keys, and even then, only if the miniatures in the left pane are selected. The keyboard shortcut symbols for page up and page down in the Go menu are very strange: arrows with bars through them (like equals signs).

> On 12 Oct 16, at 7:47 AM, Adam Engst <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>
> cheers... -Adam
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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

Nigel Stanger-2
On Thu Oct 13 2016 09:33:49, Mark Chaffin spake thus:
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> The keyboard shortcut symbols for page up and page down in the Go menu are very strange: arrows with bars through them (like equals signs).

That’s not new: I just checked an old machine and they’ve been like that since at least 10.6. I’ve always just assumed that those were Apple’s “official” menu symbols for page up and page down.

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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

David Rostenne
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> On 12-October-2016, at 1:55 PM, Adam Engst <[hidden email]> wrote:
> So it would seem that although the interface and behavior you’re describing is slightly new, it’s only a matter of dismissing a particular drive as a potential backup destination once. Does that feel different enough to call out?

Now that you explain it that way, it’s not a missing feature!

Cheers,

Dave


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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

Tom Robinson
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Look forward to it :]

You can no longer use Console to keep an eye on Time Machine, it requires a trip to the command line.  Previous pre-saved queries no longer function.

https://eclecticlight.co/2016/09/29/welcome-to-macos-sierras-new-console-its-buried-in-terminal/

Cheers


> On 2016-10-13, at 03:47, Adam Engst <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Hi folks,
>
> I’m doing an article on features that have disappeared in Sierra, including PPTP VPNs, fax modem support, and the separation of system vs format language. Anything else that anyone knows about from El Capitan that’s gone missing in Sierra?
>
> cheers... -Adam




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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

Rodney

On Oct 13, 2016, at 00:06, Tom Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:

You can no longer use Console to keep an eye on Time Machine, it requires a trip to the command line.  Previous pre-saved queries no longer function.

I’ve used a dashboard widget called Time Machine Buddy to monitor Time Machine since 2008 I reckon.  Sadly, it stopped working in Sierra.  There has been a bit of discussion about it, but the closest to a workaround I’ve found is this:


If anybody has a better solution I’m certainly interested.



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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

Paul Schinder
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> On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Adam Engst <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Hi folks,
>
> I’m doing an article on features that have disappeared in Sierra, including PPTP VPNs, fax modem support, and the separation of system vs format language. Anything else that anyone knows about from El Capitan that’s gone missing in Sierra?

Trackpad swiping between desktops has stopped working on my MacBook Pro.  I used to have it set up as a multi-finger swipe left/right.  It’s still set that way, it just no longer works.  Instead if it does anything it pages within an app.  (In Safari, for example, it’s equivalent to page back/forwards.)  Control-left/right arrow still works.

>
> cheers... -Adam
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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

Neil Laubenthal
Desktop swiping works just fine here. rMBP current gen.

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> On Oct 12, 2016, at 20:06, Paul Schinder <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Trackpad swiping between desktops has stopped working on my MacBook Pro.




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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

Roger D. Parish
You have to use three fingers instead of four.

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> On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:20 PM, Neil Laubenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Desktop swiping works just fine here. rMBP current gen.
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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

Mark Chaffin
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True enough on symbols. But my main point is that PgUp and PgDn keys no longer work, comparing El Capitan Preview to Sierra Preview. Just discovered arrow keys work differently as well—they scroll through the page in Preview El Capitan but just page up or down (sometimes) in Preview Sierra. Perhaps Apple has moved past the extended keyboard as well as pre-2010 Macs. Unfortunate.

On 12 Oct 16, at 2:20 PM, Nigel Stanger <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Thu Oct 13 2016 09:33:49, Mark Chaffin spake thus:

The keyboard shortcut symbols for page up and page down in the Go menu are very strange: arrows with bars through them (like equals signs).

That’s not new: I just checked an old machine and they’ve been like that since at least 10.6. I’ve always just assumed that those were Apple’s “official” menu symbols for page up and page down.




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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

Rodney
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On Oct 13, 2016, at 02:06, Paul Schinder <[hidden email]> wrote:

Trackpad swiping between desktops has stopped working on my MacBook Pro. 

I don’t own a MacBook of any kind, but trackpad swiping works just fine with the 2nd generation Magic Trackpad.



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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

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> On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:58 PM, Mark Chaffin <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> True enough on symbols. But my main point is that PgUp and PgDn keys no longer work, comparing El Capitan Preview to Sierra Preview. Just discovered arrow keys work differently as well—they scroll through the page in Preview El Capitan but just page up or down (sometimes) in Preview Sierra. Perhaps Apple has moved past the extended keyboard as well as pre-2010 Macs. Unfortunate.

Page up and Page down move up and down a “page" on my Sierra iMac. Arrows move up and down a single line. The page up actually moves a screen, not a page, but that is normal.





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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

Mark R. Williamson
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That’s not my experience. If I set it for four fingers, only a four-finger swipe works, but if I set it for three, I can use three or four.

Mark Williamson

On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Roger D. Parish <[hidden email]> wrote:

You have to use three fingers instead of four.

Roger D. Parish
Lovettsville, VA



On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:20 PM, Neil Laubenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:

Desktop swiping works just fine here. rMBP current gen. 




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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

Ron Risley
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macOS Sierra version 10.12 seems to have silently deprecated the use of DSA SSH keys. We all should have ditched those 1024-bit keys a while back, but Sierra seems to be forcing the issue. This could lead to some consternation if you're used to connecting to servers using keys instead of passwords, as you can end up locked out of your server:

https://medium.freecodecamp.com/upgrading-to-macos-sierra-will-break-your-ssh-keys-and-lock-you-out-of-your-own-servers-f413ac96139a#.whwf8xrsk

or

https://is.gd/3E6BiH

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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

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Thanks for all these discoveries, folks! Finishing off the article now.

cheers... -Adam



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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

Carl H. Pohle
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Hope it’s not too late…

Do a search, open results in Finder, klick on items deep down a path that does not fully show all elements of the path at the bottom of the window.

In the search window, if you hover over the path at the bottom of the window, it does not expand the part that you are hovering over.
In a normal finder window, it does.

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> Am 12.10.2016 um 16:47 schrieb Adam Engst <[hidden email]>:
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> Hi folks,
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> I’m doing an article on features that have disappeared in Sierra, including PPTP VPNs, fax modem support, and the separation of system vs format language. Anything else that anyone knows about from El Capitan that’s gone missing in Sierra?
>
> cheers... -Adam
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Re: Features that have gone missing in Sierra

David Nuss
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re: trackpad comments

For some Mac OSs now, there has been a Trackpad Preferences Pane where you have options about how many fingers does what for swiping…

Check out System Preferences > Trackpad > More Gestures and you’ll see checkboxes, pop-up selections, and video demos.

There are a fair number of options so that can account for the various experiences posted on this thread. Also, if you set one, and get used to it, perhaps a system upgrade changes your settings and so causes some confusion (I’m always irritated that some of my settings choices are sometimes changed with Mac or iOS updates… grrr).

I try to make it a habit, as time consuming as it is, to go through all the settings after OS updates and correct the overrides…

dave


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