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Bill Guion
I've been a Filemaker user since, well, for a long time. I am currently using FileMaker Pro 11.0.4, which I know is not the latest. At 75+, I probably won't be creating any new apps with FileMaker, but I still use 6 or 7 FileMaker apps.

Today I opened one of those apps to be told that the version of FileMaker I'm using is a32-bit application, and will no longer work when MacOS finally abandons 32-bit apps. I've been aware of the conversion to 64-bits, but was not prepared for FileMaker.

Just looked at the FileMaker site and it looks as if it will cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $350 to upgrade. Not sure if I'm that dependent on FileMaker.

So my question is, what are my options? I don't need all of the features offered by the latest FileMaker, but is there an upgrade to a lesser version that is not so expensive? Or is there an alternative product available?


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Re: Filemaker

Richard Rettke-2

On 14 Apr 2018, at 18:55, Bill Guion [hidden email] wrote:

So my question is, what are my options? I don't need all of the features offered by the latest FileMaker, but is there an upgrade to a lesser version that is not so expensive? Or is there an alternative product available?

I too am a longtime FileMaker (currently V12) user and also have to balk at the price for upgrades or replacements.

I opted for PanoramaX which has an interesting pricing structure which may or may not fit your budget.

I also must say, that since I bought it in January, I have been busier than a one legged man in a fanny kicking contest on ice skates, so I do not as of yet have a lot of experience with it. But I do like it and for my needs it should be more than adequate and in some ways superior to FileMaker.

here's a link -> http://www.provue.com/panoramax/

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Re: Filemaker

Neil Laubenthal
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I moved all of my databases over to Excel instead...Filemaker’s upgrade price ain’t worth it.

neil

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> On Apr 14, 2018, at 19:55, Bill Guion <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> So my question is, what are my options? I don't need all of the features offered by the latest FileMaker, but is there an upgrade to a lesser version that is not so expensive? Or is there an alternative product available?




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Re: Filemaker

Doug Hogg
Hi,

I was also going to suggest Panorama X. You pay for months when you use it.

:-)

Doug Hogg

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> On Apr 14, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Neil Laubenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I moved all of my databases over to Excel instead...Filemaker’s upgrade price ain’t worth it.
>
> neil
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> The three kinds of stress…nuclear, cooking and a&&hole. Jello is the key to the relationship.
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>> On Apr 14, 2018, at 19:55, Bill Guion <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> So my question is, what are my options? I don't need all of the features offered by the latest FileMaker, but is there an upgrade to a lesser version that is not so expensive? Or is there an alternative product available?
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Re: Filemaker

@lbutlr
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On 2018-04-14 (17:55 MDT), Bill Guion <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> So my question is, what are my options? I don't need all of the features offered by the latest FileMaker, but is there an upgrade to a lesser version that is not so expensive? Or is there an alternative product available?

First, don't panic. 32 bit apps still work fine and you get the warning only once.

Second, indications are they will still work find in 10.14, coming this fall (though they may take a little longer to launch in 10.14 does what iOS 10.something did an only loads the 32 bit libraries when they are needed).

Third, plan ahead. there are quite a few things that you can do which all come down to a version of "keep a copy of the OS around the cn run 32 bit apps". A separate drive with a 32bit OS is probably the simplest and cheapest, but I would say the *best* option is getting CM Ware Fusion and setting up a virtual macOS install for Filemaker. Not only is this easy to do, it makes it easy to run your Filemaker along side any future OS versions and other apps.



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Re: Filemaker

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On 2018-04-15 (01:39 MDT), "@lbutlr" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> CM Ware Fusion

VM Ware Fusion, duh.

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Re: Filemaker

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I opted for PanoramaX which has an interesting pricing structure which may or may not fit your budget. 

See this article for our review and explanation of the pricing system.


cheers... -Adam



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Re: Filemaker

Louise Olson
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On Sat, April 14, 2018 8:57 pm, Richard Rettke wrote:

> On 14 Apr 2018, at 18:55, Bill Guion [hidden email]  wrote:
>
>> So my question is, what are my options? I don't need all of the
>> features offered by the latest FileMaker, but is there an upgrade to a
>> lesser version that is not so expensive? Or is there an alternative
>> product available?
>
> I too am a longtime FileMaker (currently V12) user and also have to balk
> at the price for upgrades or replacements.
>
> I opted for PanoramaX which has an interesting pricing structure which
> may or may not fit your budget.
>
> I also must say, that since I bought it in January, I have been _busier
> than a one legged man in a fanny kicking contest on ice skates_, so I do
> not as of yet have a lot of experience with it. But I do like it and for
> my needs it should be more than adequate and in some ways superior to
> FileMaker.
>
> here's a link -> http://www.provue.com/panoramax/
>
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I can't find this thread in Discourse, so I'm asking my question about it
here.  I have FM 12.  How do I find out if that version is a 64-bit app?

Louise


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Re: Filemaker

adamengst
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I can't find this thread in Discourse, so I'm asking my question about it
here.  I have FM 12.  How do I find out if that version is a 64-bit app?

There is no duplication between this soon-to-disappear Mailman list and Discourse. We hope, once the Mailman list is shut down, to import 20 years of back archives into Discourse, but that will be an undertaking.

However, to find out about 32-bit and 64-bit apps, you should read the TidBITS article that prompted all this.


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Re: Filemaker

Louise Olson

On Sun, April 15, 2018 1:59 pm, Adam Engst wrote:

>>
>> I can't find this thread in Discourse, so I'm asking my question about
>> it
>> here.  I have FM 12.  How do I find out if that version is a 64-bit app?
>
>
> There is no duplication between this soon-to-disappear Mailman list and
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> However, to find out about 32-bit and 64-bit apps, you should read the
> TidBITS article that prompted all this.
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> https://tidbits.com/2018/04/13/macos-10-13-4-warns-users-about-32-bit-apps/
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> cheers... -Adam
>

Thanks for your answer. The answer about FileMaker 12 is "no" ... just in
case anyone else here wants to know.

Louise




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Re: Filemaker

Sam Silverman-2
Does anyone know which version of Filemaker is 64 bit?

Sam

On Apr 15, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Louise Olson <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Sun, April 15, 2018 1:59 pm, Adam Engst wrote:

I can't find this thread in Discourse, so I'm asking my question about
it
here.  I have FM 12.  How do I find out if that version is a 64-bit app?


There is no duplication between this soon-to-disappear Mailman list and
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TidBITS article that prompted all this.

https://tidbits.com/2018/04/13/macos-10-13-4-warns-users-about-32-bit-apps/

cheers... -Adam


Thanks for your answer. The answer about FileMaker 12 is "no" ... just in
case anyone else here wants to know.

Louise




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Re: Filemaker

Jerome King-2
I have FM Pro 14, 15 and 16

They are All 64 Bit

I don't have a copy of 13 still around so I don't know about it

Since Apple owns FileMaker, Inc I'd be amazed if they weren't 64 bit as soon as it became an "opportunity"

Jerry Naples


On Apr 15, 2018, at 4:18 PM, Sam Silverman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Does anyone know which version of Filemaker is 64 bit?

Sam

On Apr 15, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Louise Olson <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Sun, April 15, 2018 1:59 pm, Adam Engst wrote:

I can't find this thread in Discourse, so I'm asking my question about
it
here.  I have FM 12.  How do I find out if that version is a 64-bit app?


There is no duplication between this soon-to-disappear Mailman list and
Discourse. We hope, once the Mailman list is shut down, to import 20 years
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TidBITS article that prompted all this.

https://tidbits.com/2018/04/13/macos-10-13-4-warns-users-about-32-bit-apps/

cheers... -Adam


Thanks for your answer. The answer about FileMaker 12 is "no" ... just in
case anyone else here wants to know.

Louise




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Re: Filemaker

Richard Rettke-2
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On 15 Apr 2018, at 15:18, Sam Silverman [hidden email] wrote:

Does anyone know which version of Filemaker is 64 bit?

I googled, it said FileMaker 14 is the first 64 bit version.

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Re: Filemaker

@lbutlr
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On 2018-04-15 (12:29 MDT), "Louise Olson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> On Sun, April 15, 2018 1:59 pm, Adam Engst wrote:
>>
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>> TidBITS article that prompted all this.
>>
>> https://tidbits.com/2018/04/13/macos-10-13-4-warns-users-about-32-bit-apps/
>>
>> cheers... -Adam
>
> Thanks for your answer. The answer about FileMaker 12 is "no" ... just in
> case anyone else here wants to know.

Open up a terminal and paste this in:

system_profiler SPApplicationsDataType | grep -A2 "64-Bit.*No" | grep Location

It will take a minute or 5, but it will list the path to ever application on your computer that is not 64-bit.

Geeky explanation of what the command does:

system_profiler: the command line version of "System Information"
SPApplicationsDataType: We only want to know about Apps.
grep -A2 "64-Bit.*No": Look for a line with "64-bit(anything)No" and return it and the 2 lines After
grep Location: find the lines with "Location" and echo that line only.

sample output:
      Location: /Users/lbutlr/Downloads/LCC Installer.app
      Location: /Applications/CardMinder/CardMinder.app
      Location: /Applications/DVD Player.app
      Location: /Applications/Clarify.app
      Location: /Applications/Steam.app
      Location: /System/Library/Frameworks/QuickLook.framework/Versions/A/Resources/quicklookd32.app
      Location: /Applications/ABBYY FineReader for ScanSnap/ABBYY FineReader for ScanSnap.app

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Re: Filemaker

Marilyn Matty
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> On Apr 14, 2018, at 9:38 PM, Neil Laubenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I moved all of my databases over to Excel instead...Filemaker’s upgrade price ain’t worth it.

I couldn't get Excel to work with Filemaker databases that had checkboxes or were relational. And I couldn't the one flat file database to display I could easily use.

Marilyn



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Re: Filemaker

Fritz Mills
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> On Apr 15, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Jerome King <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>
> Since Apple owns FileMaker, Inc I'd be amazed if they weren't 64 bit as soon as it became an "opportunity"
>

Not necessarily so. Filemaker Server 15 is 32-bit. The first version of Server that’s 64-bit is the current version, 16.






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Re: Filemaker

Jerry King
All I can do is to tell you what my iMac listed.


Jerry


> On Apr 15, 2018, at 6:32 PM, Fritz Mills <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Jerome King <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Since Apple owns FileMaker, Inc I'd be amazed if they weren't 64 bit as soon as it became an "opportunity"
>>
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> Not necessarily so. Filemaker Server 15 is 32-bit. The first version of Server that’s 64-bit is the current version, 16.
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Re: Filemaker

Fritz Mills

> On Apr 15, 2018, at 5:40 PM, Jerry King <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> All I can do is to tell you what my iMac listed.
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 6:32 PM, Fritz Mills <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Jerome King <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Since Apple owns FileMaker, Inc I'd be amazed if they weren't 64 bit as soon as it became an "opportunity"
>>>
>>
>> Not necessarily so. Filemaker Server 15 is 32-bit. The first version of Server that’s 64-bit is the current version, 16.
>>
I’m not disagreeing with the fact Filemaker Pro went 64-bit with v14. I’m merely pointing out that they didn’t go 64- bit with Filemaker *Server* until v16, rather than as soon as it became an “opportunity."



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Re: Filemaker

Jerry King
I think my fm 15 is the server version.  Maybe it has been upgraded since it first came out.

Can only report what Apple says.  


Jerry


> On Apr 15, 2018, at 7:00 PM, Fritz Mills <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 5:40 PM, Jerry King <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> All I can do is to tell you what my iMac listed.
>>
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 6:32 PM, Fritz Mills <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>>
>>>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Jerome King <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>>> Since Apple owns FileMaker, Inc I'd be amazed if they weren't 64 bit as soon as it became an "opportunity"
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>>> Not necessarily so. Filemaker Server 15 is 32-bit. The first version of Server that’s 64-bit is the current version, 16.
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> I’m not disagreeing with the fact Filemaker Pro went 64-bit with v14. I’m merely pointing out that they didn’t go 64- bit with Filemaker *Server* until v16, rather than as soon as it became an “opportunity."
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Re: Filemaker

Fritz Mills
If your version  of FM 15 is capable of creating, modifying, and using FMP files, it isn’t *Server*. Those versions of FMP are capable of serving solutions to a limited number of clients. In contrast, FM Server does nothing but serve FM files to large numbers of FM clients. It needs files created with FM Pro, but it can’t create or modify them.. See https://community.filemaker.com/thread/167906


On Apr 15, 2018, at 6:05 PM, Jerry King <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think my fm 15 is the server version.  Maybe it has been upgraded since it first came out.

Can only report what Apple says.  

On Apr 15, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Jerome King <[hidden email]> wrote:


Since Apple owns FileMaker, Inc I'd be amazed if they weren't 64 bit as soon as it became an "opportunity"


Not necessarily so. Filemaker Server 15 is 32-bit. The first version of Server that’s 64-bit is the current version, 16.


I’m not disagreeing with the fact Filemaker Pro went 64-bit with v14. I’m merely pointing out that they didn’t go 64- bit with Filemaker *Server* until v16, rather than as soon as it became an “opportunity."







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