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Happy 11/12/13 everyone!

Dr Digby L. James
It's still November in this part of the world. ;-)

Looking forward to December and getting my hands on a MacPro.

Anyone have any news on Thunderbolt boxes I can put several large hard disks in?

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Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!

Bruce Carter
You folks do your dates a bit differently (and more logically) than we do.  :-)

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On 11/12/13, 9:19 PM, "Dr Digby L. James" <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
It's still November in this part of the world. ;-)
Looking forward to December and getting my hands on a MacPro.
Anyone have any news on Thunderbolt boxes I can put several large hard disks in?


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Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!

Jack Rodgers
...however...

I save copies of my Filemaker files using a script. In order to have them
sort by name I append something like 20131103120445 as a date stamp. This
helps since I may save dozens or hundreds of copies of the same file since
I create this backup file when I close the file, automatically. Using this
timestamp causes the various copies to sort when the filename column is
sorted.

Clicking on the date column doesn't work that well for me.

On Wednesday, November 13, 2013, Bruce Carter wrote:

> You folks do your dates a bit differently (and more logically) than we do.
>  :-)
>


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Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!

Bertrand Morin
To simplify, The International way (SI) would start with the Year (YYYY), to the Month (MM) and to the Day (DD), and then add the Time in h min s ; Hours:Minutes:Seconds, so forth.

2013-11-13/21:43:23  or  2013/11/13-21:43:23

But there are accepted variants. Only three countries have refused the system! USA, Liberia and Myanmar

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Le 2013-11-13 à 09:58, Jack Rodgers <[hidden email]> a écrit :

> ...however...
>
> I save copies of my Filemaker files using a script. In order to have them
> sort by name I append something like 20131103120445 as a date stamp. This
> helps since I may save dozens or hundreds of copies of the same file since
> I create this backup file when I close the file, automatically. Using this
> timestamp causes the various copies to sort when the filename column is
> sorted.
>
> Clicking on the date column doesn't work that well for me.
>
> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013, Bruce Carter wrote:
>
>> You folks do your dates a bit differently (and more logically) than we do.
>> :-)
>>
>
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Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!

Paul Schinder

On Nov 13, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Bertrand Morin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> To simplify, The International way (SI) would start with the Year (YYYY), to the Month (MM) and to the Day (DD), and then add the Time in h min s ; Hours:Minutes:Seconds, so forth.
>
> 2013-11-13/21:43:23  or  2013/11/13-21:43:23
>
> But there are accepted variants. Only three countries have refused the system! USA, Liberia and Myanmar

Refused?  Here's a snipped from a file on my disk, a copy of which will eventually wind up in the Planetary Data System:

PRODUCT_CREATION_TIME        = 2013-11-11T15:07:49

We use it, just like we use the metric system.  I know how far a kilometer is about as well as I know when I've gone a mile.  We just don't use them in normal life. Today is November 13th in the year 2013, not 13 November or 2013 13 November.  Farenheit is a more human centric system than Celsius or Kelvin, but I use both the latter at times (the surface of Titan is a balmy 93 K).  (0 F is really cold, 100 F is really warm.  0 C is kind of cold, 100 C is fatal.)  And at least we don't measure body weight in stone here.

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Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!

Niall O Broin
On 13 Nov 2013, at 17:48, Paul Schinder <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Refused?  Here's a snipped from a file on my disk, a copy of which will eventually wind up in the Planetary Data System:
>
> PRODUCT_CREATION_TIME        = 2013-11-11T15:07:49
>
> We use it, just like we use the metric system.  I know how far a kilometer is about as well as I know when I've gone a mile.  We just don't use them in normal life. Today is November 13th in the year 2013, not 13 November or 2013 13 November.  Farenheit is a more human centric system than Celsius or Kelvin, but I use both the latter at times (the surface of Titan is a balmy 93 K).  (0 F is really cold, 100 F is really warm.  0 C is kind of cold, 100 C is fatal.)  And at least we don't measure body weight in stone here.

Nor do people in most of the civilised world - they use kilograms, and tonnes if the item is heavy - or grams if the item is light - and all these units are related to each other by powers of 10, unlike ounces, pounds and tons.

And if Adam doesn't shout "STOP! for the love of Glod" at this point, he must be asleep at the wheel.





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Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!

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On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Niall O Broin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> And if Adam doesn't shout "STOP! for the love of Glod" at this point, he must be asleep at the wheel.

Consider it shouted...

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Thunderbold drives

Dr Digby L. James
>> And if Adam doesn't shout "STOP! for the love of Glod" at this point, he must be asleep at the wheel.
>
> Consider it shouted...


Little did I realise what I was going to start.

I actually did want to turn it Mac related by asking about external thunderbolt enclosures for the new Mac Pro. I currently have 2 x 3TB internal drives mirrored on this 2007 Mac Pro (which contain the OS, applications and most working files, plus a 1.5TB drive (containing mainly TV recordings from EyeTV) and a 250GB drive dedicated to Windows (using Parallels). So I would like to hear comments about what is, or is likely to be, available next month (whether that starts on 1/12/2013, 12/1/2013 or 2013/12/01).

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Re: Thunderbolt drives

Dr Digby L. James
Ooops! Should, of course, be titled Thunderbolt drives

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Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!

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> But there are accepted variants. Only three countries have refused the system! USA, Liberia and Myanmar

According to my high school student child, Myanmar has agreed to go metric recently.


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Maps Apps use overseas. (Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!)

John Burt-2
[see paragraph 3 for the map apps info]

A bit of history for the younger crowd. The US tried switching some things way back with resounding non-success. There were gas pumps and speed limit signs with both values for a while. An uncle who worked on the space shuttle said it was in both units and once there was a space vehicle that failed because the wrong units had been used by one vendor. I don't remember which one but it was not a shuttle.

Even the UK has not fully switched to metric. Speed and distance in driving are still mph and miles. Beverages come in both systems depending on where you are.

I just got back from the UK and drove from Heathrow to the Isle of Lewis and part way back. The Maps apps on a cellular iPad 3 worked fine. We never got LTE reception and only got 3G in cities but the Maps apps don't require a lot of speed or data. 100MB would have been enough for maps only. I bought 300MB international so I could check email and FB when no wifi was available but had 50 left when it expired.

(BTW, I'm a retired chemist and use metric rather a lot. I also use "the other one" and approximate most conversions in my head both ways.)

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> On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:29, Bertrand Morin <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> But there are accepted variants. Only three countries have refused the system! USA, Liberia and Myanmar
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Re: Maps Apps use overseas. (Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!)

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On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:12 AM, John Burt <[hidden email]> wrote:

> once there was a space vehicle that failed because the wrong units had been used by one vendor. I don't remember which one but it was not a shuttle.

That was Mars Climate Orbiter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter#Cause_of_failure

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Re: Maps Apps use overseas. (Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!)

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On Nov 14, 2013, at 1:12 PM, John Burt <[hidden email]> wrote:

> [see paragraph 3 for the map apps info]
>
> A bit of history for the younger crowd. The US tried switching some things way back with resounding non-success. There were gas pumps and speed limit signs with both values for a while. An uncle who worked on the space shuttle said it was in both units and once there was a space vehicle that failed because the wrong units had been used by one vendor. I don't remember which one but it was not a shuttle.

That was Mars Climate Orbiter (thanks, Wikipedia!).

>
> Even the UK has not fully switched to metric. Speed and distance in driving are still mph and miles. Beverages come in both systems depending on where you are.

Soft drinks in the US usually come in 2 liter bottles.

>
> I just got back from the UK and drove from Heathrow to the Isle of Lewis and part way back. The Maps apps on a cellular iPad 3 worked fine. We never got LTE reception and only got 3G in cities but the Maps apps don't require a lot of speed or data. 100MB would have been enough for maps only. I bought 300MB international so I could check email and FB when no wifi was available but had 50 left when it expired.
>
> (BTW, I'm a retired chemist and use metric rather a lot. I also use "the other one" and approximate most conversions in my head both ways.)

Many fields of physics don't use SI or cgs.  In high energy physics, \hbar = c = 1 and masses are measured in MeV.  The mass of an electron is 0.511 MeV (8.1871996e-14 joules, according to units(1)).  In relativity, where G = c = 1, the mass of the Sun is 1.48 km (1.99e30 kg). You set the constants equal to one for convenience; you don't have to write them out all the time in equations.  Converting units isn't such a chore, especially with all the electronic aids we have.  You just have to make sure you know what units people are using.

>
> Sent from the SciFiOne.com iPad
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Re: Maps Apps use overseas. (Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!)

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> I just got back from the UK and drove from Heathrow to the Isle of Lewis and part way back. The Maps apps on a cellular iPad 3 worked fine. We never got LTE reception and only got 3G in cities but the Maps apps don't require a lot of speed or data. 100MB would have been enough for maps only. I bought 300MB international so I could check email and FB when no wifi was available but had 50 left when it expired.

4G is still a rarity here. Only EE (Everything Everywhere) offer it (advertised by Kevin Bacon - oh what a comedown). The others have promised a roll out soon. 3G is available on most main roads and urban areas, but there are the expected dead spots.

> (BTW, I'm a retired chemist and use metric rather a lot. I also use "the other one" and approximate most conversions in my head both ways.)


Me too. Shall we ask Adam to start a Tidbits sub-group for chemists? ;-)

PS We still use mpg to measure fuel consumption, even though we buy in litres. Cunning ploy by the government. £1.33/litre sounds a lot better than £6.05/gallon (a large chunk of which is tax) (remembering that the US gallon is smaller than the Imperial gallon as the US pint is 16 fluid ounces and the imperial pint is 20 fluid ounces).

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Re: Maps Apps use overseas. (Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!)

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On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:40 AM, "Dr Digby L. James" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Me too. Shall we ask Adam to start a Tidbits sub-group for chemists? ;-)

Laugh. No, if you need an answer. Still laughing.

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Re: Maps Apps use overseas. (Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!)

John Burt-2
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On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:40 AM, "Dr Digby L. James" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> PS We still use mpg to measure fuel consumption, even though we buy in litres. Cunning ploy by the government. £1.33/litre sounds a lot better than £6.05/gallon (a large chunk of which is tax) (remembering that the US gallon is smaller than the Imperial gallon as the US pint is 16 fluid ounces and the imperial pint is 20 fluid ounces).

Is a pub pint 20 oz? I usually bought a half just to be safe since 20 is more than I want. The half looked like about 10.


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Re: Maps Apps use overseas. (Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!)

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On Nov 14, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Paul Schinder <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Soft drinks in the US usually come in 2 liter bottles.

Interestingly, 2 liters hold more soda than the older 2 quart bottles. Then, metrics was just fine.

Maybe that's the secret -- if it involves bigger servings of food, Americans are willing to go metric. If McDonalds comes out with a "Quarter Kilo" Burger, Americans would switch in an instant.

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Re: Maps Apps use overseas. (Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!)

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Folks, let's keep the discussion to Maps use overseas, not measurement trivia.

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Re: Maps Apps use overseas. (Re: Happy 11/12/13 everyone!)

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On Nov 14, 2013, at 1:12 PM, John Burt <[hidden email]> wrote:

> [see paragraph 3 for the map apps info]
>
> A bit of history for the younger crowd. The US tried switching some things way back with resounding non-success. There were gas pumps and speed limit signs with both values for a while. An uncle who worked on the space shuttle said it was in both units and once there was a space vehicle that failed because the wrong units had been used by one vendor. I don't remember which one but it was not a shuttle.
>


It was a Mars Orbiter in 1999. The Lockheed team used feet for distance, while NASA used meters.

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