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Large flatbed scanners

Ray Kloss
I am looking to scan some illustrated children’s books, but some books are too large to fit on my Canon printer/scanner. I could stitch them, but would rather get it all in one scan. I haven’t been able to locate any flat scanners that are larger than the standard 8.5 x 11 page.

I could use a photo top scanner, but most of those are disowned to scan books and creat PDFs. They are better than flat beds for a few images I have with metallic leaf as they tend not to scan well (ends up black).

Anybody have  experience with large scanners that I can get that are reasonably priced? I have done the usual reviews and looked at Amazon, Adorama, etc and the Wirecutter, but this may be a specialized issue.


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Re: Large flatbed scanners

Alexander Forbes



On Apr 10, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Ray Kloss <[hidden email]> wrote:

I haven’t been able to locate any flat scanners that are larger than the standard 8.5 x 11 

I’ve been looking for the same thing, and will follow this thread with interest. I checked B&H for “flatbed scanner" and was called to find  the Epson Pro had the standard letter glass, for $999. I suspect that the al-in-ones have dried up the market for dedicated scanners. Good luck…

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Re: Large flatbed scanners

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On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:59 PM, Alexander Forbes <[hidden email]> wrote:




On Apr 10, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Ray Kloss <[hidden email]> wrote:

I haven’t been able to locate any flat scanners that are larger than the standard 8.5 x 11 

I’ve been looking for the same thing, and will follow this thread with interest. I checked B&H for “flatbed scanner" and was called to find  the Epson Pro had the standard letter glass, for $999. I suspect that the al-in-ones have dried up the market for dedicated scanners. Good luck…


Googling “large format scanner" turns up some rather pricey options. I looked on eBay and found a couple of reasonably priced units. None are all-in-ones, just large scanners.





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Re: Large flatbed scanners

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On 2018-04-10 (16:35 MDT), Ray Kloss <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I haven’t been able to locate any flat scanners that are larger than the standard 8.5 x 11 page.

Look for "ledger scanner" but they are *very* expensive. I've seen them for $4000 and up.

If I absolutely had to buy one with someone else's money, this is the one I'd look at first:

<https://smile.amazon.com/Fujitsu-fi-6770-Document-scanner-Duplex/dp/B00HF19SW8/>

based on my excellent experience with their ix500, but there is also an fi-7700 (newer? Different series?) for about $5500.

You will find a lot of ledger printers that can scan, but I don't think any of those can scan ledger size (11x17).

What I would do is use my phone to scan. Might even make a jig to hold the phone, slide the book in place, snap a scan, turn the page, repeat.


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Re: Large flatbed scanners

Marc Zeedar-2
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On Apr 10, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Ray Kloss <[hidden email]> wrote:

I haven’t been able to locate any flat scanners that are larger than the standard 8.5 x 11 page.

I have an Epson Workforce all-in-one that prints 12x19 and has an 11x17 scanner on the top. It works quite well — my mom has used it to scan oversized music books on a few occasions. I think I paid about $300 for it a few years ago.

Another option is the CZUR book scanner I wrote about last summer:


It’s an overhead scanner and I don’t remember the exact maximum size it will scan, but it’s pretty big. For sure at least 11x17. Great for oversized books.


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Re: Large flatbed scanners

Travis Butler
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On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:35 PM, Ray Kloss <[hidden email]> wrote:


Anybody have  experience with large scanners that I can get that are reasonably priced? I have done the usual reviews and looked at Amazon, Adorama, etc and the Wirecutter, but this may be a specialized issue.


I was looking at this issue for a friend a few weeks ago, and found this:


Couldn’t find any independent reviews and the sales-site reviews are mixed, but it seems to be the most common option for anything under $1000. 


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Re: Large flatbed scanners

Marilyn Matty
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On Apr 10, 2018, at 6:35 PM, Ray Kloss <[hidden email]> wrote:

I am looking to scan some illustrated children’s books, but some books are too large to fit on my Canon printer/scanner. I could stitch them, but would rather get it all in one scan. I haven’t been able to locate any flat scanners that are larger than the standard 8.5 x 11 page.


I can't recommend specific models, but I do know that Plustek makes dedicated flatbed book scanners, including reasonably priced ones:


Marilyn



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Re: Large flatbed scanners

Fearghas McKay
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Ray

On 10 Apr 2018, at 15:35, Ray Kloss <[hidden email]> wrote:

Anybody have  experience with large scanners that I can get that are reasonably priced? I have done the usual reviews and looked at Amazon, Adorama, etc and the Wirecutter, but this may be a specialized issue.

The Internet Archive have a lot of experience in this as part of their scanning library collections, they have open sourced their own design:


Has a useful article and links. 

The price starts at $13,000 but they do work and are very nifty. 

A cheaper option might be to outsource to them:


They are doing some very interesting projects there and I can do an intro if you need one. 

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Re: Large flatbed scanners

Maurice van Peursem
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I own this scanner (A3):

http://plustek.com/us/products/flatbed-scanners/opticslim-1180/

Costs me 225 euro. Nice scanner, the OCR is very good (ABBYY),
however, it will only work directly after the scan (for copyright
reasons no doubt), you have to wait for the OCR to finish before you
can scan the next page (very annoying and time consuming). It
produces PDF pages that can't be stitched together easily (I haven't
found a free option to do that yet, and the scan multiple pages to
one PDF didn't work with the Mac driver). Foto-scans are so-so, and
the scan of books is not always easy (normal for a flatbed scanner).
The automatic cropping works quite well.

Maurice


>I am looking to scan some illustrated children's books, but some
>books are too large to fit on my Canon printer/scanner. I could
>stitch them, but would rather get it all in one scan. I haven't been
>able to locate any flat scanners that are larger than the standard
>8.5 x 11 page.
>
>I could use a photo top scanner, but most of those are disowned to
>scan books and creat PDFs. They are better than flat beds for a few
>images I have with metallic leaf as they tend not to scan well (ends
>up black).
>
>Anybody have  experience with large scanners that I can get that are
>reasonably priced? I have done the usual reviews and looked at
>Amazon, Adorama, etc and the Wirecutter, but this may be a
>specialized issue.


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Re: Large flatbed scanners

Curtis Wilcox
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On Apr 10, 2018, at 8:27 PM, Marilyn Matty <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Apr 10, 2018, at 6:35 PM, Ray Kloss <[hidden email]> wrote:

I am looking to scan some illustrated children’s books, but some books are too large to fit on my Canon printer/scanner. I could stitch them, but would rather get it all in one scan. I haven’t been able to locate any flat scanners that are larger than the standard 8.5 x 11 page.


I can't recommend specific models, but I do know that Plustek makes dedicated flatbed book scanners, including reasonably priced ones:

We scan books at work and bought some Plustek OpticBook scanners, including a 11x17 one, because there's almost no bezel on one side which is good for getting in the gutter. The added expense didn't mean they were sturdier in the long haul and the Windows drivers were a real pain in the ass. You probably won't be surprised that they don't have Mac drivers (it looks like there is one that does have Mac drivers but it's not a large format one).

We mostly buy books now so we can chop their spines off and feed them through big sheetfed scanners. For flatbed scanning, we have some fairly ordinary Epson ones and can do some large format scanning at campus libraries where there are multifunction copiers which are large format and can scan to PDF. For an infrequent need, it might be worth looking for one at a nearby university library (if it's open to the public, our unfortunately aren't) or maybe a well-funded public library.




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Re: Large flatbed scanners

Roger Caldwell-2
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On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:35 PM, Ray Kloss <[hidden email]> wrote:

I am looking to scan some illustrated children’s books, but some books are too large to fit on my Canon printer/scanner. I could stitch them, but would rather get it all in one scan. I haven’t been able to locate any flat scanners that are larger than the standard 8.5 x 11 page.

I could use a photo top scanner, but most of those are disowned to scan books and creat PDFs. They are better than flat beds for a few images I have with metallic leaf as they tend not to scan well (ends up black).

Anybody have  experience with large scanners that I can get that are reasonably priced? I have done the usual reviews and looked at Amazon, Adorama, etc and the Wirecutter, but this may be a specialized issue.

You can still get an Epson that will do tabloid size (11 x 17)


But if you need bigger than that then you left with large format from Canon or HP and those will definitely not be “reasonably priced”. They will cost $10K - $15K.



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Re: Large flatbed scanners

Randy B. Singer
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On Apr 10, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Ray Kloss wrote:

> Anybody have  experience with large scanners that I can get that are reasonably priced?

And now for something completely different...

Instead of purchasing a multi-thousand dollar scanner, spend just $4 and use your iPhone:

Scanner Pro by Readdle running on your iPhone.
It frames and lights books and documents very well.
$4
https://readdle.com/scannerpro
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/scanner-pro/id333710667?mt=8

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Re: Large flatbed scanners

Marilyn Matty


> On Apr 11, 2018, at 7:25 AM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> On Apr 10, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Ray Kloss wrote:
>>
>> Anybody have  experience with large scanners that I can get that are reasonably priced?
>
> And now for something completely different...
>
> Instead of purchasing a multi-thousand dollar scanner, spend just $4 and use your iPhone:
>
> Scanner Pro by Readdle running on your iPhone.
> It frames and lights books and documents very well.
> $4
> https://readdle.com/scannerpro
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/scanner-pro/id333710667?mt=8

I second recommendation, and I also have something completely different that might be available in other areas. I just got an email from my local library that they now have a scanning station that handles multi format materials, does translations, scan to audio and other options. There's no fee to scan and save on removable storage; there are minimal charges to fax or print.

Marilyn



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Re: Large flatbed scanners

Ray Kloss
Thanks for all the info and suggestions. The Plustek one with Mac drivers (or using scanning software like Vuescan) may be what I am looking for. The Epson one looks nice, but getting out of my price range for a hobby.

I don’t think the iPhone will give me the resolution for later reprinting that I need. I use it for documents all the time, but I really want to capture the detail and tonal ranges.

Thanks again


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Re: Large flatbed scanners

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On Apr 11, 2018, at 18:49, Ray Kloss <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I don’t think the iPhone will give me the resolution for later reprinting that I need. I use it for documents all the time, but I really want to capture the detail and tonal ranges.

Assuming a recent iPhone, it almost certainly will. And it costs very little to test it.

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Re: Large flatbed scanners

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On 2018-04-12 (03:23 MDT), gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, at 1:32 AM, LuKreme wrote:
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>> Assuming a recent iPhone, it almost certainly will. And it costs very
>> little to test it.
>
> Resolution should be fine, especially if using an app that shoots raw to avoid lossy artifacts. But getting consistent, even, lighting can be a pita no matter what camera.

Yes, this is why if you are going to do a lot of it making a jig for the phone and some light boxes is a good idea.

> Most illustrated book paper has enough gloss that avoiding glare spots is tricky.  Typically you need two diffuse lights aimed at matching angles from opposite sides, and they need to be adjusted depending on curvature of the page.  (Mylar (not aluminized!) makes a good cheap diffuser, available at most art supply places, but don't use it near halogen lights.) You can get copy stands with paired lights, but they start at about $200 and take up a lot of space.  Once set up though, it would be faster than a scanner.

I would stay away from halogens altogether. LEDs are plentiful and provide very even light, and many LED assemblies have a diffuser that is perfectly usable for photography.




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