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Lazer Printer recommendations?

Bill Taylor
Hello All!

In 1995 I bought an Apple LazerWriter Select 360.  After many years of faithful service, it seems to have died given the display of lights on the front panel.  Additionally, toner cartridges are no longer available, other then refurbished ones.

So I find I’m in the market for a new printer, and like my last one, would really like one that’s capable of ‘greyscale', or 256 shades of grey.  Dues to costs of replacement cartridges, I’m avoiding colour laser printers.

I’m looking for a ‘greyscale' printer, capable of:
- duplex printing, 
- can be placed on my network directly via an ethernet connection, 
- is capable of true 1200 x 1200 dpi, and has
- expandable memory.


My one remaining question is, can anyone tell me if this printer is capable of what I guess is a term no longer used, 'greyscale’?

On my old printer, a black and white photo could be printer out as such, because the printer was capable of ‘greyscale’.

I tried getting through to Lexmark on the phone, but couldn’t hear a thing because of the terrible phone connection.  Same result after repeated phone calls

So, I thought I’d ask here.

For anyone who uses this printer, would you recommend it?

Alternatively, what other printers can anyone recommend that have these required features?

Thanks for any and all insights.

Bill Taylor



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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

Neil Laubenthal
Don’t know anything about the Lexmark…but I have a Brother 5370DW which meets all your requirements except the expandable memory and it’s been pretty bulletproof for me for going on 6 years now.


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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

Bill Rausch
I've had a couple of Brother laser printers at home and work and been very happy. I've recommended them a couple of times with good results. 

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On Apr 7, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Neil Laubenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:

Don’t know anything about the Lexmark…but I have a Brother 5370DW which meets all your requirements except the expandable memory and it’s been pretty bulletproof for me for going on 6 years now.


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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

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On 2018-04-07 (10:47 MDT), Bill Taylor <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Alternatively, what other printers can anyone recommend that have these required features?

I have been very happy with Brother printers for a long time. The Wire cutter agrees.

<https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-laser-printer/>

They give the HL-L2340DW top marks, and it is a very good printer. However, it is WiFi, and doesn't have Ethernet which the L2360DW does. Both are about $100.

I honestly do not know if it does 1200DPS as it's been a very long time since I noticed DPI on a printer. Looks like the Brother is "up to 2400x600", so you might want something in the HL-L5 series or an MFC.

The HL-L5100DN seems to fit all your criteria and can be had for $150-200 the HL-L5200DW for about $20 more which ads WiFi. there are other printers in that line that might offer features you care about (It's the small office line, not the home office line if you want to look at the https://brotherbwprint.com/dl site. (for example, a second tray or 48ppm instead of 42ppm or a paper capacity of ~500-800 sheets instead of 250.).

here's a screenshot of a comparison of the higher end HL-L5 printers. The prices shown there will be higher than amazon, probably.

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/8gfghhc36t0nh0t/Screenshot%202018-04-07%2011.40.51.png?dl=0>

In that line I'd definitely spend a few extra bucks for the 6200DW since it holds a full ream of paper (standard paper capacity of 570).

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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

Neil Laubenthal
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The only thing I’ve had with it is network settings. I put a static IP in it so that one could create a print queue and print to it via wireless on the laptops and then ethernet to the printer. It kept resetting itself to factory network defaults. After the second reset I just left it on DHCP and assigned a reserved IP in the router for it and have had no further issues.


On Apr 7, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Bill Rausch <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've had a couple of Brother laser printers at home and work and been very happy. I've recommended them a couple of times with good results. 


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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

Tori Hernandez
You might want to check the HP laser printers. I have had my HP 4000 series (postscript) for over 18 years and working great! I am not sure of your requirements, but it wouldn’t hurt to check.


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On Apr 7, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Neil Laubenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:

The only thing I’ve had with it is network settings. I put a static IP in it so that one could create a print queue and print to it via wireless on the laptops and then ethernet to the printer. It kept resetting itself to factory network defaults. After the second reset I just left it on DHCP and assigned a reserved IP in the router for it and have had no further issues.


On Apr 7, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Bill Rausch <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've had a couple of Brother laser printers at home and work and been very happy. I've recommended them a couple of times with good results. 


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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

Curtis Wilcox
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On Apr 7, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Neil Laubenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Don’t know anything about the Lexmark…but I have a Brother 5370DW which meets all your requirements except the expandable memory and it’s been pretty bulletproof for me for going on 6 years now.

I liked my lower-end Brother printer, I replaced it with a Samsung when I needed one with WiFi, I think it was a pick on The Wirecutter, or very similar to, at the time. But I haven't had 1200x1200, my Samsung is 4800x600 (I think dpi can be increased by a lot in one dimension by increasing the precision of the timing and movement of the paper).

The HL-L5100DN is a current model (there's also a variant with WiFi); duplex, Ethernet, 1200x1200, memory isn't expandable but it has 256MB already.
http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/modeldetail/1/hll5100dn/spec

When does amount of printer RAM matter? I would think it would just affect printing speed, that the computer's printer driver just waits to send data until they're room in the printer's RAM. At work, I added 1GB to a printer that came with 128MB (it was just generic SO-DIMM so 1GB was cheap at the time) and it didn't seem to make a difference.

Does amount of printer RAM matter more or less when printing bitmaps vs. text documents?

BTW, it's "laser," with an S. It's an acronym, "light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation".




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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

Kim Gammelgaard
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Den 7. apr. 2018 kl. 18.47 skrev Bill Taylor <[hidden email]>:

For anyone who uses this printer, would you recommend it?


I recently bought a cheap Lexmark CS410n for our home office needs. 

It is a colour laser printer, was dirt cheap, less than 100€, and apparently full 1400 page color carriages, but does not have duplex printing which does not bother me at home. 

Setup was a breeze, and print quality is as good as I expected it to be, even the color printing is better than fair. 

Best regards

Kim




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I know what you mean about the specs, it took me many years to bite the bullet and buy a new printer.

I’d been using an Accel-a-writer which also had 1200x1200 specs. An OS upgrade finally killed it and I stashed it in the attic.

I’ve used HP 4250/4350 for many years and they worked great. I did run into a few out of memory errors on large photos, but I don’t remember how far I upgraded it. I’ve also used the 4000 series and they were good as well. My only complaint was that for some reason, a Windows machine would need the IP to be set as static any time the printer (on DHCP) picked up a new address but it wasn’t insurmountable. None were 1200x1200 though.

A few months ago I finally bought an Oki color laser which met most of my needs and is allowing me to consolidate into one printer. It is only 600x1200 but I figured I had to draw the line somewhere. I had an increasing need for AirPrint.

I think you will find any B&W laser will do the greyscale you are looking for.

Good luck
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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

Marilyn Matty
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On Apr 7, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Taylor <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello All!

In 1995 I bought an Apple LazerWriter Select 360.  After many years of faithful service, it seems to have died given the display of lights on the front panel.  Additionally, toner cartridges are no longer available, other then refurbished ones.

We LOOOOVED the two LaserWriters we owned, and practically had panic attacks when the last one we owned gave up the ghost and we couldn't find a reasonably priced PostScript printer. Because we weren't going to buy a larger format printer, or doing much, if anything, anything with very tiny type, we never regretted not shelling out big bucks.


So I find I’m in the market for a new printer, and like my last one, would really like one that’s capable of ‘greyscale', or 256 shades of grey.  Dues to costs of replacement cartridges, I’m avoiding colour laser printers.

I’m looking for a ‘greyscale' printer, capable of:
- duplex printing, 
- can be placed on my network directly via an ethernet connection, 
- is capable of true 1200 x 1200 dpi,

I doubt if 1200 x 1200 is probably enough dot resolution to print 256 shades of grey, but it might be close enough to be OK. If you want to stay in that price range, you might want to check out how the resolution looks by printing some of your stuff on a friend's printer. If it doesn't work out, then you'll have to go up in price for a higher resolution - probably a lot higher.

and has
- expandable memory.


My one remaining question is, can anyone tell me if this printer is capable of what I guess is a term no longer used, 'greyscale’?

It's still very much used in professional printing. Unless you're going to use very high resolution on a regular basis, you might want to consider sending photographic or high end illustration work out to a imagesetter from time to time.


For anyone who uses this printer, would you recommend it?

Since the demise of our last LaserWriter, we've only used HP at home, and we highly recommend the brand. We have both used high end Lexmark printers at different offices, and they were fine. Lexmark does have a good reputation for home printers.

Marilyn



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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

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My brother 5470DW is great as does duplex printing. I rarely print to my color printer as everything comes out fine on the Brother.



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I've had a couple of Brother laser printers at home and work and been very happy. I've recommended them a couple of times with good results. 

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On Apr 7, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Neil Laubenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:

Don’t know anything about the Lexmark…but I have a Brother 5370DW which meets all your requirements except the expandable memory and it’s been pretty bulletproof for me for going on 6 years now.


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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

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For longevity I like my HP1022 LaserJet, which I've had so long I don't remember when I bought it. But I don't know if the lower end LaserJet printers meet your other needs.

My wife is an artist and did not like the Brother ink jet she bought. The image colors were poor and it would not auto-feed the mailing labels she needed for work. Scanned well and did B&W just fine though. She switch back to Canon. The only reason I mention it is because so many people like Brother. Maybe they are not using them the way my wife did.






On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Bill Taylor <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello All!

In 1995 I bought an Apple LazerWriter Select 360.  After many years of faithful service, it seems to have died given the display of lights on the front panel.  Additionally, toner cartridges are no longer available, other then refurbished ones.

So I find I’m in the market for a new printer, and like my last one, would really like one that’s capable of ‘greyscale', or 256 shades of grey.  Dues to costs of replacement cartridges, I’m avoiding colour laser printers.

I’m looking for a ‘greyscale' printer, capable of:
- duplex printing, 
- can be placed on my network directly via an ethernet connection, 
- is capable of true 1200 x 1200 dpi, and has
- expandable memory.


My one remaining question is, can anyone tell me if this printer is capable of what I guess is a term no longer used, 'greyscale’?

On my old printer, a black and white photo could be printer out as such, because the printer was capable of ‘greyscale’.

I tried getting through to Lexmark on the phone, but couldn’t hear a thing because of the terrible phone connection.  Same result after repeated phone calls

So, I thought I’d ask here.

For anyone who uses this printer, would you recommend it?

Alternatively, what other printers can anyone recommend that have these required features?

Thanks for any and all insights.

Bill Taylor



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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

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Many of us who like Brother printers are recommending the laser printer, not the inkjet. I didn't like the Brother inkjet but love their laser printer.

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For longevity I like my HP1022 LaserJet, which I've had so long I don't remember when I bought it. But I don't know if the lower end LaserJet printers meet your other needs.

My wife is an artist and did not like the Brother ink jet she bought. The image colors were poor and it would not auto-feed the mailing labels she needed for work. Scanned well and did B&W just fine though. She switch back to Canon. The only reason I mention it is because so many people like Brother. Maybe they are not using them the way my wife did.






On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Bill Taylor <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello All!

In 1995 I bought an Apple LazerWriter Select 360.  After many years of faithful service, it seems to have died given the display of lights on the front panel.  Additionally, toner cartridges are no longer available, other then refurbished ones.

So I find I’m in the market for a new printer, and like my last one, would really like one that’s capable of ‘greyscale', or 256 shades of grey.  Dues to costs of replacement cartridges, I’m avoiding colour laser printers.

I’m looking for a ‘greyscale' printer, capable of:
- duplex printing, 
- can be placed on my network directly via an ethernet connection, 
- is capable of true 1200 x 1200 dpi, and has
- expandable memory.


My one remaining question is, can anyone tell me if this printer is capable of what I guess is a term no longer used, 'greyscale’?

On my old printer, a black and white photo could be printer out as such, because the printer was capable of ‘greyscale’.

I tried getting through to Lexmark on the phone, but couldn’t hear a thing because of the terrible phone connection.  Same result after repeated phone calls

So, I thought I’d ask here.

For anyone who uses this printer, would you recommend it?

Alternatively, what other printers can anyone recommend that have these required features?

Thanks for any and all insights.

Bill Taylor



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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

Alan Forkosh
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I have found that reviews on The Wirecutter usually provide a good overview of a product category. Even if you don’t go with their recommended item, they usually give a good overview of what’s available (and the comments will let you know where they’ve fallen short). Anyway, they recently updated their laser printer reviews at https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-laser-printer/

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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

Dr Digby L. James
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I purchased an HP LaserJet M605 last year and have been very pleased with it. I think it meets all your requirements.

Details here:

http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetDocument.aspx?docname=4aa5-6774enuc

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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

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On 2018-04-07 (17:42 MDT), "Dr Digby L. James" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I purchased an HP LaserJet M605 last year and have been very pleased with it. I think it meets all your requirements.


I stopped looking at HP printers (after two decades of only using His for laser printing) because I had several years of inexcusably bad drivers and pathetic support.

The Brothers worked perfectly every time, and didn't require me to jump through hoops to get their drivers or to get basic features to work properly. YMMV, but I find Brother to be a better printer with better support at a cheaper price. the HP M605 is $1200.



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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

Randy B. Singer

On Apr 7, 2018, at 4:58 PM, @lbutlr wrote:

> I stopped looking at HP printers (after two decades of only using His for laser printing) because I had several years of inexcusably bad drivers and pathetic support.
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> The Brothers worked perfectly every time, and didn't require me to jump through hoops to get their drivers or to get basic features to work properly. YMMV, but I find Brother to be a better printer with better support at a cheaper price. the HP M605 is $1200.

^^ this ^^

First off, any recommendations of laser printers based on an experience from two or more decades ago is probably not at all valuable.  Those old laser printers were tanks, but they were often priced like a tank too.  Modern laser printers are still very reliable, but are a fraction of the price; they're smaller and faster and usually offer better resolution too.

For black and white laser printers I highly recommend Brother laser printers, as long as you don't get one of their bottom of the line GDI printers.  Brother printers are extremely reliable, reasonably priced on Amazon, they print beautifully, and Brother has done an excellent job of maintaining their drivers as needed for the Macintosh.  It's also a good idea, if you do a lot of printing, to look for a Brother model that can take a "high capacity"  toner cartridge rated for at least  8,000 pages.  If you get an inexpensive Brother model, and do a lot of printing, that small toner cartridge will cause you to be replacing expensive consumables often and that inexpensive printer will end up costing you a fortune.

Conversely, I recommend *against* Hewlett-Packard printers, not because they aren't good (their hardware tends to be very good), but because they too often don't update their Mac printer drivers (or wait way too long to do so) and they have been known to sometimes (not always) offer horrible Macintosh customer support.

Generally you don't need to look for a laser printer that has upgradeable RAM anymore.  Laser printers now come with much more RAM than they used to, and in my experience they never choke on a job and refuse to print it like laser printers with too little RAM did decades ago.

Lately I've been recommending this Brother model a lot:

Brother HL-L5100DN
$160 with free shipping
<http://www.amazon.com/Brother-HLL5100DN-Business-Printer-Networking/dp/B01BBL2TRS/>
Specs:
http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/modeldetail/1/hll5100dn/overview

When you need consumables for it, let me know.  I can tell you where to get excellent third party consumables for a fraction of the price of OEM consumables.

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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

John Burt
  On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 2:30 AM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]> wrote:
 
Conversely, I recommend *against* Hewlett-Packard printers, not because they aren't good (their hardware tends to be very good), but because they too often don't update their Mac printer drivers (or wait way too long to do so) and they have been known to sometimes (not always) offer horrible Macintosh customer support.

​Ah, another reason my experiences are so different from other people's recommendations. I am always behind on updating also. ​I've always wondered why.

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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

Travis Butler


On Apr 8, 2018, at 11:30 AM, SciFiOneA <[hidden email]> wrote:

  On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 2:30 AM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]> wrote:
 
Conversely, I recommend *against* Hewlett-Packard printers, not because they aren't good (their hardware tends to be very good), but because they too often don't update their Mac printer drivers (or wait way too long to do so) and they have been known to sometimes (not always) offer horrible Macintosh customer support.

​Ah, another reason my experiences are so different from other people's recommendations. I am always behind on updating also. ​I've always wondered why.

I’ve had much the same negative experiences with HP support, and positive experiences with Brother.

In my experience, Brother printers tend to cheap out on external parts; the fold-out paper trays, paper guides, etc. tend to be a bit flimsy. However, the internal parts have been very reliable for me, as others have noted. Since they’re usually one of the least expensive options, I’m willing to forgive them for the fragile externals.


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Re: Lazer Printer recommendations?

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On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Travis Butler <[hidden email]> wrote:

In my experience, Brother printers tend to cheap out on external parts; the fold-out paper trays, paper guides, etc. tend to be a bit flimsy
​.

​Which probably explains why my wife had problems printing thousands of peel and stick labels several times a year.

 
​Combine that with the color printing which was not up to her very high standards, and she abandoned it.

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