Low End Color Laser

classic Classic list List threaded Threaded
29 messages Options
12
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Low End Color Laser

David Ross
Any suggestions from the crowd?

I'm really not happy with Epson and HP drivers so would rather go with
Brother or Canon.

Looking for "good" color. But not photo color. For printing simple one
or two page docs in B&W and an occasional newsletter with some color.
Maybe 20 to 40 newsletters a month.

TIA

David


____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

Richard Rettke

I have no experience with Color Lasers but having used Canon, Epson, and HP in the past, Brother has been a breath of fresh air. They work, their simple, their inexpensive.

Richard Rettke
Laus Deo
Non sibi sed patriae

https://about.me/rerettke

On 8 Feb 2016, at 15:40, David Ross dr-at-davidrossconsultant.com |TidbitsTalk Discussion Forum/TidbitsTalk Discussion Forum| wrote:

Any suggestions from the crowd?

I'm really not happy with Epson and HP drivers so would rather go with Brother or Canon.




____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

re: Low End Color Laser

John Robinson-3
In reply to this post by David Ross
I left Epson and HP several years ago after the drivers began to stop working in OS X, despite being reassured by their tech support.

My cheap scanner/laser Canon has functioned out of the box since day one,

If I remember to use OS X Preview App, I never have any issues printing on the Canon.

John R


____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

Travis Butler
In reply to this post by Richard Rettke
On 2/8/16 at 3:51 PM, [hidden email] (TidbitsTalk
Discussion Forum) wrote:

>I have no experience with Color Lasers but having used Canon, Epson,
>and HP in the past, Brother has been a breath of fresh air. They work,
>their simple, their inexpensive.

That's been my experience as well. Their main overall flaw has
been a somewhat flimsier build than an HP; you should exercise
some extra care when using things like the multipurpose tray,
for example. I've been quite happy with their B&W print quality;
last time I looked at reviews, their color print quality wasn't
up to the level of HP/Epson, but IIRC they were mainly looking
at photo print quality.

One other suggestion I could make, which I always make when
looking at anything but the lowest-end laser printers; get one
with PostScript compatibility. That greatly reduces the need for
custom driver support in my experience.


Travis Butler
[hidden email]
http://tbutler.dreamwidth.org

...Cats are the proof of a higher purpose to the universe.




____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

Richard Rettke

Another suggestion which I forgot was to get AirPrint compatibility (they probably all have it now, but I would check). I have it on my Brother Inkjet but not my laser and wish I did.

Richard Rettke
Laus Deo
Non sibi sed patriae

https://about.me/rerettke

On 8 Feb 2016, at 16:31, Travis Butler tbutler-at-mac.com |TidbitsTalk Discussion Forum/TidbitsTalk Discussion Forum| wrote:

One other suggestion I could make, which I always make when looking at anything but the lowest-end laser printers; get one with PostScript compatibility. That greatly reduces the need for custom driver support in my experience.




____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

Mr. Seth Anderson

On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:42 PM, TidbitsTalk Discussion Forum <[hidden email]> wrote:

Another suggestion which I forgot was to get AirPrint compatibility (they probably all have it now, but I would check). I have it on my Brother Inkjet but not my laser and wish I did.

If your printer is connected to the same local area network as your Mac, you can use the Printopia control panel to share any printer (even my ancient HP 4000 Superlaser!!) to any iOS device (and some other uses). I paid $9 for Printopia several years ago, and it was well worth the price.

Does look like they raised their price to $19.99, but if you need wireless printing, and don’t want to purchase a new printer, this would seem to be a viable solution.






____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

Randy B. Singer
In reply to this post by David Ross

On Feb 8, 2016, at 1:40 PM, David Ross wrote:

> Any suggestions from the crowd?
>
> I'm really not happy with Epson and HP drivers so would rather go with Brother or Canon.

I really like Brother laser printers and Canon's color inkjet printers.  

HP makes decent hardware, but their service and support for Macintosh users can be horrible, including not updating drivers as needed.  Epson makes superb professional class color inkjet printers, but their consumer class inkjet printers are simply too prone to clogging.

Both Canon and Brother offer excellent value, performance, reliability, and they update their Mac drivers promptly.

> Looking for "good" color. But not photo color. For printing simple one or two page docs in B&W and an occasional newsletter with some color. Maybe 20 to 40 newsletters a month.

If at all possible, I try to steer folks away from color laser printers.  While color laser printers don't clog or dry out like inkjet printers, they have a bunch of expensive consumables that regularly (though, fortunately, not often) need to be replaced.  A color laser printer can have four expensive toner cartridges, an imaging drum, a belt, and a waste toner bin that all need to be regularly replaced.  See e.g.:
<http://www.brother-usa.com/Printer/ModelDetail/1/HLL8350CDW/supp>

Add the cost of all of these together and they can be ridiculously expensive.  It's true that the one big advantage that a color laser printer has is that you don't have to replace all of the consumables as often as an inkjet needs to have it's ink cartridges replaced.  But, while there are third party sources for high quality nicely inexpensive inkjet cartridges, even at discount the cost of consumables for a color laser printer can be breathtaking.

I've gotten around the problem by purchasing both a black and white Brother laser printer that has extra-long lasting consumables, and a Canon color inkjet printer (actually an all-in-one) for which I can get dirt-cheap ink cartridges, for pretty much the best of all worlds.  The price of both added together is less than the price of a decent color laser printer.
(I have a Brother HL-5450DN and a Canon MX922.)

However, if you feel that you really need a color laser printer, just about any of Brother's models should be a good choice:
<http://www.brother-usa.com/Printer/Color_Laser_Printers/#.VrkvXihNmzd>

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________






____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

Ryoichi Morita-2

> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> If at all possible, I try to steer folks away from color laser printers.  While color laser printers don't clog or dry out like inkjet printers, they have a bunch of expensive consumables that regularly (though, fortunately, not often) need to be replaced.  A color laser printer can have four expensive toner cartridges, an imaging drum, a belt, and a waste toner bin that all need to be regularly replaced.  See e.g.:
> <http://www.brother-usa.com/Printer/ModelDetail/1/HLL8350CDW/supp>
>
> Add the cost of all of these together and they can be ridiculously expensive.  It's true that the one big advantage that a color laser printer has is that you don't have to replace all of the consumables as often as an inkjet needs to have it's ink cartridges replaced.  But, while there are third party sources for high quality nicely inexpensive inkjet cartridges, even at discount the cost of consumables for a color laser printer can be breathtaking.

That answers my question. I always wondered if it would be cheaper to replace my ink jet printer with a laser printer.

Thank you, Randy.

Ryoichi Morita




____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

@lbutlr
In reply to this post by Richard Rettke
On Feb 8, 2016, at 15:42, TidbitsTalk Discussion Forum <[hidden email]> wrote:
Another suggestion which I forgot was to get AirPrint compatibility (they probably all have it now, but I would check). I have it on my Brother Inkjet but not my laser and wish I did.

My brother doesn't support AirPrint either, but I use HandyPrint.





____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

james.connolly
In reply to this post by Randy B. Singer
Good advice re laser, but I hate Canons. Epson are far better ink jets top
to bottom.

James Connolly

On 2/8/16, 4:19 PM, "Randy B. Singer" <[hidden email] on
behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

>
>On Feb 8, 2016, at 1:40 PM, David Ross wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions from the crowd?
>>
>> I'm really not happy with Epson and HP drivers so would rather go with
>>Brother or Canon.
>
>I really like Brother laser printers and Canon's color inkjet printers.
>
>HP makes decent hardware, but their service and support for Macintosh
>users can be horrible, including not updating drivers as needed.  Epson
>makes superb professional class color inkjet printers, but their consumer
>class inkjet printers are simply too prone to clogging.
>
>Both Canon and Brother offer excellent value, performance, reliability,
>and they update their Mac drivers promptly.
>
>> Looking for "good" color. But not photo color. For printing simple one
>>or two page docs in B&W and an occasional newsletter with some color.
>>Maybe 20 to 40 newsletters a month.
>
>If at all possible, I try to steer folks away from color laser printers.
>While color laser printers don't clog or dry out like inkjet printers,
>they have a bunch of expensive consumables that regularly (though,
>fortunately, not often) need to be replaced.  A color laser printer can
>have four expensive toner cartridges, an imaging drum, a belt, and a
>waste toner bin that all need to be regularly replaced.  See e.g.:
><http://www.brother-usa.com/Printer/ModelDetail/1/HLL8350CDW/supp>
>
>Add the cost of all of these together and they can be ridiculously
>expensive.  It's true that the one big advantage that a color laser
>printer has is that you don't have to replace all of the consumables as
>often as an inkjet needs to have it's ink cartridges replaced.  But,
>while there are third party sources for high quality nicely inexpensive
>inkjet cartridges, even at discount the cost of consumables for a color
>laser printer can be breathtaking.
>
>I've gotten around the problem by purchasing both a black and white
>Brother laser printer that has extra-long lasting consumables, and a
>Canon color inkjet printer (actually an all-in-one) for which I can get
>dirt-cheap ink cartridges, for pretty much the best of all worlds.  The
>price of both added together is less than the price of a decent color
>laser printer.
>(I have a Brother HL-5450DN and a Canon MX922.)
>
>However, if you feel that you really need a color laser printer, just
>about any of Brother's models should be a good choice:
><http://www.brother-usa.com/Printer/Color_Laser_Printers/#.VrkvXihNmzd>
>
>___________________________________________
>Randy B. Singer
>Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
>Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
>http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
>___________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
>____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
>Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
>Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
>Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
>Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
>Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
>Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
>____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____




____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

Bill Rausch
In reply to this post by Randy B. Singer
On 2/8/16 4:19 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
> I really like Brother laser printers and Canon's color inkjet printers.
>
Seconding this opinion. I have this same combination. Both printers work
nicely with Macs and PCs.

Bill


____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

Marc Zeedar-2
In reply to this post by Randy B. Singer

> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>  A color laser printer can have four expensive toner cartridges, an imaging drum, a belt, and a waste toner bin that all need to be regularly replaced.

For what it's worth, I've been pretty happy with my Xerox Phaser 6500. I got it on sale a few years ago from Costco for $150 (it's typically around $250 on Amazon). The OEM toner cartridges are ridiculous -- $115 each (times four) -- but I use well-reviewed clone carts from Amazon that are around $10/each in bulk. Using them violates your warranty (if Xerox finds out), but since I can buy a whole new printer for Xerox's minimum charge for service ($350), I'm not too worried.

The clone carts do have some negative side effects (you need to run some cleaning routines on the printer periodically), and color isn't quite as consistent, but since I haven't used OEM carts I don't know if that's normal or not. Overall it's a bargain if you're not that picky about exact colors (and if you are, you probably are buying a higher-end laser). The color quality is phenomenal for typical business use, and quite good for modest graphic design work (the kind I do now). I love that it's so fast and the colors don't need to dry like with an inkjet.

(I also have an Epson inkjet I use for printing large format, on card stock, or glossy photos, so that's the best of both worlds.)

I will probably have to go with a genuine Xerox drum when that goes out and that'll be hundreds of dollars, but I figure by then I'll have saved thousands on toner. Note that I don't print that much: maybe an average of 100 sheets a month. (I have done a few projects which involved thousands of prints in a week or two, but those are rare.) I think my drum says it's at 70% life so I've got years left.

I use mine connected via ethernet and with Printopia on my Mac it's an Airprint printer, so I can print from iPhone and iPad.

Oh, and Xerox's Mac support seems fine. I'm still on Yosemite, but the drivers work well.


Marc Zeedar
Publisher, xDev Magazine
www.xdevmag.com






____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

Ray Kloss
In reply to this post by Bill Rausch
> On Feb 8, 2016, at 10:29 PM, Bill Rausch <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 2/8/16 4:19 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
>> I really like Brother laser printers and Canon's color inkjet printers.
> Seconding this opinion. I have this same combination. Both printers work nicely with Macs and PCs.

Ditto. I had used Epson printers in the past, but found that if I didn't use them regularly, then I had to clean the ink jets often to get a good print (wasting ink). Maybe they are better now, but that was a few Epsons in a row before I moved to Canon. They seem to have no problems with he jets clogging or drying out.


____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

Randy B. Singer

On Feb 8, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Ray Kloss wrote:

> Ditto. I had used Epson printers in the past, but found that if I didn't use them regularly, then I had to clean the ink jets often to get a good print (wasting ink). Maybe they are better now, but that was a few Epsons in a row before I moved to Canon. They seem to have no problems with he jets clogging or drying out.


Of the inkjet printer manufacturers, Epson's seem to be the most likely to clog, and Canon's printers are the least likely to clog.  The tradeoff with the Canon is that the printer will do cleaning routines all the time.  It will do one when when you first turn it on, it will do one before a print job, it will even do one before a scan job if you have one of their multi-functions.  That can get tedious, but it is not such a big price to pay for a color printer with stunning output, that just about never clogs, with a source for excellent cheap ink, and which has a low buy-in price.

Also, recent Canon printers have printheads that are both separate from their ink cartridges, and which are removable from the printer itself.  That means that in the unlikely event that you do get a clogged head, you don't have to buy new cartridges, or take your printer in to be repaired.  You just remove the print-heads and soak them in something like Formula 409 (some folks just use plain water) and they are as good as new.

Here is a really nice video that shows how easy it is to remove and clean your Canon's printheads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEkKGBUSwNg

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________






____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

Fritz Mills
In reply to this post by Ryoichi Morita-2
FWIW, I have two HP printers: one is a color laser, the other is an inkjet. I do 90%+ of my printing on the laser printer and spend about $200/year on toner. The ink cartridges for the inkjet cost me about the same per year, and I buy the XL ink cartridges, which are a much better value. So my experience, at least for my two HP printers, is that inkjet consumables are about 10 times as expensive as laser consumables.


> On Feb 8, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Ryoichi Morita <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> If at all possible, I try to steer folks away from color laser printers.  While color laser printers don't clog or dry out like inkjet printers, they have a bunch of expensive consumables that regularly (though, fortunately, not often) need to be replaced.  A color laser printer can have four expensive toner cartridges, an imaging drum, a belt, and a waste toner bin that all need to be regularly replaced.  See e.g.:
>> <http://www.brother-usa.com/Printer/ModelDetail/1/HLL8350CDW/supp>
>>
>> Add the cost of all of these together and they can be ridiculously expensive.  It's true that the one big advantage that a color laser printer has is that you don't have to replace all of the consumables as often as an inkjet needs to have it's ink cartridges replaced.  But, while there are third party sources for high quality nicely inexpensive inkjet cartridges, even at discount the cost of consumables for a color laser printer can be breathtaking.
>
> That answers my question. I always wondered if it would be cheaper to replace my ink jet printer with a laser printer.
>
> Thank you, Randy.
>
> Ryoichi Morita
>
>
>



____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

Randy B. Singer

On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:37 AM, Fritz Mills wrote:

> So my experience, at least for my two HP printers, is that inkjet consumables are about 10 times as expensive as laser consumables.

I've been keeping track of sources for third party ink cartridges that users have found to be extremely reliable.  For decades.  Most of them come directly from China, and they offer replacement ink cartridges for a tiny fraction of the price of OEM ink.  

For instance, for my Canon MX922, which has 5 ink cartridges, it is only $15 for a complete set of 5 cartridges (or less if you purchase more), with free shipping.  (That's about 1/4 the price of OEM cartridges.)
<http://www.meritline.com/canon-pgi-250-plus-cli-251-ink-compatible-high-yield-with-new-chip-combo-5---p-107326.aspx>
Their prices and quality can't be beat.

Note:  I'm not talking about remanufactured OEM cartridges (which I don't recommend), or discounted OEM cartridges. I'm talking about brand-new third-party cartridges, often labeled as "compatible."  This isn't the same junk that you will often find on Amazon.  The compatible cartridges that I get from China generally can't be distinguished from brand-new OEM cartridges as far as print quality.  They even come with the little computer chips in them.

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________






____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

David Ross
In reply to this post by Randy B. Singer
On 2/8/16 7:19 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
> If at all possible, I try to steer folks away from color laser
> printers.  While color laser printers don't clog or dry out like
> inkjet printers, they have a bunch of expensive consumables that
> regularly (though, fortunately, not often) need to be replaced.  A
> color laser printer can have four expensive toner cartridges, an
> imaging drum, a belt, and a waste toner bin that all need to be
> regularly replaced.  See e.g.:
> <http://www.brother-usa.com/Printer/ModelDetail/1/HLL8350CDW/supp>

Agreed. Toner and such for lasers is more expensive. But what I really
care about is the per page cost. I'll spend $100 for a toner that covers
1000 pages instead of $10 for an ink cartridge that covers only 50 pages
every day. Over time my costs will be only 1/2 as much.

David


____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

Derek Cross
In reply to this post by David Ross
I’ve got a color laser printer: http://www.amazon.com/Oki-Data-C531dn-Digital-Printer/dp/B00DFB7XC4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455028159&sr=8-1&keywords=OKI+c531dn

and I think it’s smashing!

Derek (UK)

On 8 Feb 2016, at 21:40, David Ross <[hidden email]> wrote:

Any suggestions from the crowd?

I'm really not happy with Epson and HP drivers so would rather go with Brother or Canon.

Looking for "good" color. But not photo color. For printing simple one or two page docs in B&W and an occasional newsletter with some color. Maybe 20 to 40 newsletters a month.

TIA

David


____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____




____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

Richard Rettke
In reply to this post by Randy B. Singer

In the 4 years I've had my Brother Inkjet Printer-Scanner-Fax it has never clogged, never presented a printing problem at all. I went to Brother when the owner of Cartridge World told me to get rid of my HP which was always clogging and get a Brother. I don't know if the heads are removable or not, never had an issue. I do only use Brother Ink which is remarkably inexpensive on Amazon. The difference between Brother and refills is just a couple bucks and the brothers get delivered to my door (a big deal for me). My thought, ever since I acquired this device is "this is the way inkjet printers should operate". Occasionally I print several pages, but 95% of my printing is one complex multi-color page a week. Never a problem.

Richard Rettke
Laus Deo
Non sibi sed patriae

https://about.me/rerettke

On 9 Feb 2016, at 7:04, Randy B. Singer randy-at-macattorney.com |TidbitsTalk Discussion Forum/TidbitsTalk Discussion Forum| wrote:

Of the inkjet printer manufacturers, Epson's seem to be the most likely to clog, and Canon's printers are the least likely to clog. The tradeoff with the Canon is that the printer will do cleaning routines all the time. It will do one when when you first turn it on, it will do one before a print job, it will even do one before a scan job if you have one of their multi-functions. That can get tedious, but it is not such a big price to pay for a color printer with stunning output, that just about never clogs, with a source for excellent cheap ink, and which has a low buy-in price.




____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Low End Color Laser

George Wade
In reply to this post by Marc Zeedar-2
Your opinion on the Amazon bulk solid ink sticks is worth a lot, Mark.  I may wait till the summer's photos are in then get a supply for my Phaser.  As it takes foolscap paper manually so I can get some good wide views in.  I soon got used to the virtues of Phase Colour and worked within it:  getting an oil painting or rich crayon look;  forgetting what technicolour thinks it is all about.  Did any of your cheaper ink sticks give colour that would flake off here and there ?  I had a very few that did in isolated spots in solid colour areas;  I forget the supplier.

Having a B&W online all day made it work for me:  Phaser prints were too luxurious for normal letters and the machine would eat up ink sticks when it was on.  So I saved colour printing until there were at least half a dozen.

Thanks George

On 8 Feb 2016, at 23:40, Zeedar Marc wrote:

>
>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> A color laser printer can have four expensive toner cartridges, an imaging drum, a belt, and a waste toner bin that all need to be regularly replaced.
>
> For what it's worth, I've been pretty happy with my Xerox Phaser 6500. I got it on sale a few years ago from Costco for $150 (it's typically around $250 on Amazon). The OEM toner cartridges are ridiculous -- $115 each (times four) -- but I use well-reviewed clone carts from Amazon that are around $10/each in bulk. Using them violates your warranty (if Xerox finds out), but since I can buy a whole new printer for Xerox's minimum charge for service ($350), I'm not too worried.
>
> The clone carts do have some negative side effects (you need to run some cleaning routines on the printer periodically), and color isn't quite as consistent, but since I haven't used OEM carts I don't know if that's normal or not. Overall it's a bargain if you're not that picky about exact colors (and if you are, you probably are buying a higher-end laser). The color quality is phenomenal for typical business use, and quite good for modest graphic design work (the kind I do now). I love that it's so fast and the colors don't need to dry like with an inkjet.
>
> (I also have an Epson inkjet I use for printing large format, on card stock, or glossy photos, so that's the best of both worlds.)
>
> I will probably have to go with a genuine Xerox drum when that goes out and that'll be hundreds of dollars, but I figure by then I'll have saved thousands on toner. Note that I don't print that much: maybe an average of 100 sheets a month. (I have done a few projects which involved thousands of prints in a week or two, but those are rare.) I think my drum says it's at 70% life so I've got years left.
>
> I use mine connected via ethernet and with Printopia on my Mac it's an Airprint printer, so I can print from iPhone and iPad.
>
> Oh, and Xerox's Mac support seems fine. I'm still on Yosemite, but the drivers work well.
>
>
> Marc Zeedar
> Publisher, xDev Magazine
> www.xdevmag.com



____________TidBITS Talk Participation Guidelines____________
Post only when you have something substantive to contribute.
Be polite and constructive, and comment on posts, not people.
Quote sparingly, if at all. We all read the previous message.
Start threads with a new message to [hidden email].
Read archives at: http://tidbits.com/pipermail/tidbits-talk/
Unsubscribe at: http://tidbits.com/mailman/options/tidbits-talk
____Mailing List Manners: http://tidbits.com/series/1141 ____
12