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Parallels vs Fusion

@lbutlr
It’s been a long time since I used either Parallels or Fusion, but a friend of mine needs to be able to run some Windows only utilities on his Mac and the user is going to be a computer neophyte, so something like Virtualbox is not a realistic option.

Is there a strong feeling about Parallels versus Fusion now? Do both work with Windows 7 currently (he owns Windows 7, but doesn’t want Windows 10).

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Re: Parallels vs Fusion

Randy B. Singer

On Mar 29, 2017, at 2:13 AM, @lbutlr wrote:

> Is there a strong feeling about Parallels versus Fusion now?

There has been a lot of concern about whether Fusion has been end-of-lifed:

"VMWare lays off U.S. team for Fusion and Workstation virtualization products"
http://www.windowscentral.com/vmware-lays-us-team-fusion-and-workstation-virtualization-products

"It seems that VMWare, the company behind the Fusion virtualization software, has laid off the entire U.S.-based development staff for both Fusion and Workstation. The future of those products is currently uncertain, but seems that VMWare is focusing more on network and storage virtualization products at this time."

The last version of Fusion that was released was version 8.5, which was for El Capitan.  I don't see any updates for Sierra.

There is also this article:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/vmware-swears-it-will-continue-to-support-fusion-and-workstation/

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Re: Parallels vs Fusion

Brian L. Matthews

> The last version of Fusion that was released was version 8.5, which was for El Capitan.  I don't see any updates for Sierra.

There are fairly regular releases of Fusion, with the latest version
being 8.5.5, released a few days ago. VMWare says it's fully compatible
with Sierra. http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion.html.

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Re: Parallels vs Fusion

Alia Michaels
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I have used Parallels as my main VM for years. I currently have 3 Win7
VMs available for various program configurations for doing most
Windows-related work on my Macs (such as FrameMaker, RoboHelp, and
Flare). I even have an old Vista VM still available if I need to use
some old versions of programs (such as FrameMaker 7.2). I do have Win 8
installed in a VM some where. It turns out that I never needed to use
it, but it did install and did work correctly as far as I could tell. I
do have the Win 10 install .exe to put into a VM if needed, but no work
requiring Win10 has occurred yet.

So, I wouldn't call myself a power user, but I do use Parallels VMs with
Win7 regularly for work.

I did try Fusion years ago, but didn't maintain the upgrade path. I
can't remember why, but it could be that part of my career (years ago)
involved Parallels documentation and I just kept using that program.

The biggest issue that I found is that your friend may need to add
additional RAM to support both the Mac and the Win7 VM and multiple open
applications/programs. If your friend doesn't have multiple open
applications/programs running in both OSes, then it shouldn't be a
problem, tho'.

FWIW,
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Re: Parallels vs Fusion

John Engberg
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> On Mar 29, 2017, at 12:25, Brian L. Matthews <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>
>> The last version of Fusion that was released was version 8.5, which was for El Capitan.  I don't see any updates for Sierra.
>
> There are fairly regular releases of Fusion, with the latest version being 8.5.5, released a few days ago. VMWare says it's fully compatible with Sierra. http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion.html.
>
> Brian

I just installed v8.5.5, and it works perfectly in 10.12.4.

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Re: Parallels vs Fusion

Roger Henriques
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> On 29-03-2017, at 12:39 PM, Alia Michaels <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The biggest issue that I found is that your friend may need to add additional RAM to support both the Mac and the Win7 VM and multiple open applications/programs. If your friend doesn't have multiple open applications/programs running in both OSes, then it shouldn't be a problem, tho'.


I have used Parallels since the arrival of Intel Macs. I have Win XP and Win 7 VMs, although I have not ised the XP one for years, and moved it to an external drive for storage.

I’m presently using Parallels v.11xx with Win 7 on a 2012 Mac Mini/ElCapitan with 8 gigs of RAM and an SSD, and find it almost as responsive as the Mac OS - but as I use it mainly for testing web site designs in Win browsers, it doesn’t count as heavy use, and I keep it turned off most of the time - so your friend’s requirements may be more demanding. I also found that the SSD made a huge difference to the Vm’s performance.

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Re: Parallels vs Fusion

Tom Robinson
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Seems a shame to discount VirtualBox, it’s a perfectly cromulent emulator and not hard to use.

Plus it’s free.

The biggest drawback is being from the litigious Oracle.

Cheers


> On 2017-03-29, at 22:13, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> It’s been a long time since I used either Parallels or Fusion, but a friend of mine needs to be able to run some Windows only utilities on his Mac and the user is going to be a computer neophyte, so something like Virtualbox is not a realistic option.




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Re: Parallels vs Fusion

@lbutlr
On 29 Mar 2017, at 13:55, Tom Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Seems a shame to discount VirtualBox, it’s a perfectly cromulent emulator and not hard to use.

It is considerably harder to use and maintain for a non-technical user than either Fusion or Parallels.

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Re: Parallels vs Fusion

Hector I Macedo-3
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Tom, I did’n understand the “cromulent” word in your email so I googled it and: so now I more confused.

cromulent

adjective

Appearing legitimate but actually being spurious These citations are indeed cromulent

[a word used by the schoolteacher, Miss Hoover, in an episode of The Simpsons, in which she defended one made-up word by making up another]


On Mar 29, 2017, at 2:55 PM,3/29/17, Tom Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Seems a shame to discount VirtualBox, it’s a perfectly cromulent emulator and not hard to use.

Plus it’s free.

The biggest drawback is being from the litigious Oracle.

Cheers

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Re: Cromulent [was Parallels vs Fusion]

Tom Robinson
Seems there’s some confusion/morphing over the definition.

This is the original:

> Ms. Hoover, another teacher, replies, "I don't know why; it’s a perfectly cromulent word."


> Cromulent is an adjective that was coined by David X. Cohen. Since it was coined, it has appeared in Dictionary.com's 21st Century Lexicon. The meaning of cromulent is inferred only from its usage, which indicates that it is a positive attribute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_the_Iconoclast#Embiggen_and_cromulent

Cheers


> On 2017-03-30, at 09:48, Hector I Macedo <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Tom, I did’n understand the “cromulent” word in your email so I googled it and: so now I more confused.
> cromulent
> adjective
>
> Appearing legitimate but actually being spurious : These citations are indeed cromulent
>
> [a word used by the schoolteacher, Miss Hoover, in an episode of The Simpsons, in which she defended one made-up word by making up another]



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Re: Parallels vs Fusion

Marc Zeedar-2
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> On Mar 29, 2017, at 2:31 PM, gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Parallels also went through a phase that even though you'd bought it, they'd
> squirt advertisements at you, and they've once or twice tried to push
> subscriptions instead of buy once and use forever, so the company itself
> gives me an off taste.

That's what I don't like about Parallels. I've bought a few copies at time when it was on sale for $49 or as part of a bundle. Then every time Apple comes out with a new OS, Parallels sends me "special upgrade offers" for even more money with dire warnings that my version wasn't compatible with the new OS. In fact, it was _dangerous_ to run it in the new OS and I _must_ upgrade. There was also a deadline for the "discount" -- if I didn't hurry, I'd have to pay the regular price for the upgrade.

If this had only happened once or twice, I'd have thought maybe it was real, but I've never seen any other software "break" so badly between OS versions. This makes me think either Parallels is lying about the upgrade problems, or they're deliberately designing the software to stop working every time there's a new OS to force you upgrade.

Either way, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

That said, I use virtualization software so rarely, I'm obviously not the target market.


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Re: Parallels vs Fusion

Al Varnell
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On Mar 29, 2017, at 2:13 AM, @lbutlr wrote:
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> Is there a strong feeling about Parallels versus Fusion now?On Mar 29, 2017, at 2:13 AM, @lbutlr wrote:
> Is there a strong feeling about Parallels versus Fusion now?

I'm sure this will be fixed shortly, but is something to consider:

"Critical VMware vulnerabilities disclosed" <https://isc.sans.edu/forums/diary/Critical+VMware+vulnerabilities+disclosed/22247/>.


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Re: Parallels vs Fusion

Alia Michaels
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gastropod wrote:
> He'll need a minimum of 8 GB RAM, and that's marginal for more than
> occasional light use.  16 GB is far better.
I concur somewhat... occasional light use might be do-able with 4 GB
(see below).

I 'limped by' with the minimum amount for a while (4 GB), but upgraded
my mini to 16 GB when I started using that computer as my main
production system with the VM.

As a benchmark: I just checked the Activity Monitor on my mini and with
my standard Mac apps open (3 mail clients [don't ask], BBEdit, Firefox,
Word) and a Parallels Win7 VM (with RoboHelp, IE, and WinWord currently
open), this system is using 10+ GB.

As a comparison, I started up the VM on my MacBook Pro that only has 4
GB. I generally just use this Mac for testing or for its portability
when needed. I only have 1 Mac email client open, but opened
Doc-To-Help, IE, and Word in the Parallels Win7 VM (the setup I just
used for an evaluation). The Activity Monitor shows 3 GB used.

So, it is possible to work with 4 GB, but not recommended for anything
more than the minimum loads... and then with care.

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Re: Parallels vs Fusion

@lbutlr
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On 29 Mar 2017, at 16:20, gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:
> It's from June 2014, but Joe Kissell has a MacWorld article, "Running
> Windows on a Mac: Why I prefer VMware Fusion"
>
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2364514/running-windows-on-a-mac-why-i-prefer-vmware-fusion.html

Yes, and I've read that, but it's nearly three years old, which is why I was asking about *now*

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Re: Parallels vs Fusion

David Ross
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On 3/29/17 5:13 AM, @lbutlr wrote:
It’s been a long time since I used either Parallels or Fusion, but a friend of mine needs to be able to run some Windows only utilities on his Mac and the user is going to be a computer neophyte, so something like Virtualbox is not a realistic option.

Is there a strong feeling about Parallels versus Fusion now? Do both work with Windows 7 currently (he owns Windows 7, but doesn’t want Windows 10).
Personally VMWare Fusion irritates me less than Parallels. Most of the time. Sort of. But I'm a nerd with different expectations than most "normal" users. When I need to put a Virtual situation into an office environment I have wound up with server type setups (where a person isn't normally sitting at the display) being run on Fusion and where people are actively using something on the virtual machine Parallels.

Ran into a situation a few years back when I wanted to switch out a Win QuickBooks user from Parallels to Fusion where Fusion dealt with shared folders differently enough that Parallels that I had to go with Parallels. QB was convinced that the D:  drive I was using was really a network drive under Fusion and refused to let me put the data files there.

Also against Parallels, it has gone head over heels to the rental model. $99 per years with a very confusing licensing model where there seems to be a personal and business license with DIFFERENT PORTALS that you can only log into one at a time without using two browsers and ..... ARRRRRRG.
Plus a Pro version with little to tell you the difference. You CAN get perpetual licenses but they are hard to find. The easiest way is via the check out offer for a copy for $39 that shows up on MacSales a lot.

I also have run into an issue with Parallels at times where it would not pick up an IP from our DHCP server no matter what I did with the networking settings (I wanted the VM to have a separate IP from the hosting Mac) but VM Fusion did it just fine.

I'd go with the trials and see what your friend likes. I'm betting Parallels will win. BTW one of them only has a 14 day trial.

David
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Re: Parallels vs Fusion

Michael Logue
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> It is considerably harder to use and maintain for a non-technical user than either Fusion or Parallels.

>
>> Seems a shame to discount VirtualBox, it’s a perfectly cromulent emulator and not hard to use.
>>
>> It is considerably harder to use and maintain for a non-technical user than either Fusion or Parallels.
>>
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I used to use Fusion.  I was stuck on Lion for a couple of years and when I got a new Mac and was able to upgrade to Yosemite, I found that the was no upgrade path for me, I had to purchase the updated program at full price.  Since Fusion had been such trouble to me to keep working, every update required some weird fix and the help was woefully dense, I figured I would try out Virtualbox and it has been smooth sailing since then.  And this has been through many painless updates.  As mentioned, I was wary of an Oracle product, but I am a happy camper.  It has been very easy to maintain for me.  I would suggest trying the free product. If for some reason it won't do the job, you are not out any money.

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Re: Parallels vs Fusion

Ron Risley
On Apr 2, 2017, at 13:22, Michael Logue <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I used to use Fusion.  I was stuck on Lion for a couple of years and when I got a new Mac and was able to upgrade to Yosemite, I found that the was no upgrade path for me, I had to purchase the updated program at full price.

I had a similar experience, twice, a few years back. I decided that Fusion was far too expensive if I had to re-purchase it every time I needed to use it (my needs for virtual system on my MacBook Pro were far between in those years). I've been a happy user of VirtualBox since. I think it might be too much for a computing neophyte to configure initially, but once set up I think it's within the scope of most casual users to launch and run a configured virtual machine.

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