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Mike Noonan-2
I am experienced a recurring problems with Rules. This has been happening since I updated to Sierra last fall.  I have a fully up to date 2013 MBP .

I’m wondering whether others have experienced these actions and/or whether there is some surgical cleanup I can do in my User/System libraries to fix this.  

The Rules magically change in twos ways:
- my original target mailbox gets changed to another mailbox name
- the target is set to "No Mailbox is found"
- the On My Mac/Recovered Messages folder is created and populated with message that have the No Mailbox is not found setting.

When I simply reset the targets, the Apply Rules option popup does not appear.  And, within a few downloads and they start to randomly fail again.  

I’ve run the Apply rules in the Recovered Messages, which of course the rules will fail again, but some of them have ended up in my iCloud account (which I do not use) in a correctly name Mailbox.  When I drag the all messages from these iCloud Mailboxes to the correct Mailbox, the iCloud folder disappears.

The named Rules are not in same same order as my Mailboxes but that shouldn’t matter, e.g., I could have used A,B,C… as names.  The Rules that has the changed target Mailbox is sometimes set to the next folder in Mail folder list or some other random folder (i.e., I haven’t detected a pattern).

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For a few days all was fine and I thought Mail somehow fixed itself (nah) or Apple pushed out a fix under the covers but it stared up again (don’t know).

I may or may not have found a clue.  Last time I reset the target Mailboxes, I closed Mail Prefs.  Usually I leave Mail Prefs open for long periods, e.g., days because the mouse moves to get to the Mail/Preference/Rules is tedious when trying to rebuild a rules list from each message. I’m a zero/empty mailbox proponent.  

I deleted a very large set of rules last fall when Mail was crashing with a message that the crash occurred because it was trying to create a Mailbox without a name (yes it said that, and I wondered who hired that programmer).

I have about 30 main mailboxes and again as many sub mailboxes some up to 3 levels deep.
 
Per Gastropod, I have run the Sierra Combo update last fall  and I  tried using another User account but not keep it long enough. I had a project crunch that needed more attention.
 
I leave my Mac running 24/day and it goes to sleep by itself. This results in a login in the morning but not during the day (why not? Another mystery).

Again, I’m wondering whether others have experienced these actions and/or whether there is some surgical cleanup I can do in my User/system libraries to fix this.  

Any ideas.  TIA.   Mike




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Mike Noonan-2
I am experienced a recurring problems with Rules. This has been happening since I updated to Sierra last fall.  I have a fully up to date 2013 MBP .

I’m wondering whether others have experienced these actions and/or whether there is some surgical cleanup I can do in my User/System libraries to fix this.  

The Rules magically change in twos ways:
- my original target mailbox gets changed to another mailbox name
- the target is set to "No Mailbox is found"
- the On My Mac/Recovered Messages folder is created and populated with message that have the No Mailbox is not found setting.

When I simply reset the targets, the Apply Rules option popup does not appear.  And, within a few downloads and they start to randomly fail again.  

I’ve run the Apply rules in the Recovered Messages, which of course the rules will fail again, but some of them have ended up in my iCloud account (which I do not use) in a correctly name Mailbox.  When I drag the all messages from these iCloud Mailboxes to the correct Mailbox, the iCloud folder disappears.

The named Rules are not in same same order as my Mailboxes but that shouldn’t matter, e.g., I could have used A,B,C… as names.  The Rules that has the changed target Mailbox is sometimes set to the next folder in Mail folder list or some other random folder (i.e., I haven’t detected a pattern).

---
For a few days all was fine and I thought Mail somehow fixed itself (nah) or Apple pushed out a fix under the covers but it stared up again (don’t know).

I may or may not have found a clue.  Last time I reset the target Mailboxes, I closed Mail Prefs.  Usually I leave Mail Prefs open for long periods, e.g., days because the mouse moves to get to the Mail/Preference/Rules is tedious when trying to rebuild a rules list from each message. I’m a zero/empty mailbox proponent.  

I deleted a very large set of rules last fall when Mail was crashing with a message that the crash occurred because it was trying to create a Mailbox without a name (yes it said that, and I wondered who hired that programmer).

I have about 30 main mailboxes and again as many sub mailboxes some up to 3 levels deep.

Per Gastropod, I have run the Sierra Combo update last fall  and I  tried using another User account but not keep it long enough. I had a project crunch that needed more attention.

I leave my Mac running 24/day and it goes to sleep by itself. This results in a login in the morning but not during the day (why not? Another mystery).

Again, I’m wondering whether others have experienced these actions and/or whether there is some surgical cleanup I can do in my User/system libraries to fix this.  

Any ideas.  TIA.   Mike





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I noticed yesterday and today, my rules were not automatically running when I logged into mail. I checked and the rules were still properly setup. I can't see any reason for the issue. This is very frustrating. I use mail on my iMac which is running the latest High Sierra. I shut down every evening and boot up fresh each morning. (I've not called AppleCare on the issue, yet.



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From: Mike Noonan <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 4:56 PM
Subject: Fwd: Problems with Mail Rules

I am experienced a recurring problems with Rules. This has been happening since I updated to Sierra last fall.  I have a fully up to date 2013 MBP .

I’m wondering whether others have experienced these actions and/or whether there is some surgical cleanup I can do in my User/System libraries to fix this. 

The Rules magically change in twos ways:
- my original target mailbox gets changed to another mailbox name
- the target is set to "No Mailbox is found"
- the On My Mac/Recovered Messages folder is created and populated with message that have the No Mailbox is not found setting.

When I simply reset the targets, the Apply Rules option popup does not appear.  And, within a few downloads and they start to randomly fail again. 

I’ve run the Apply rules in the Recovered Messages, which of course the rules will fail again, but some of them have ended up in my iCloud account (which I do not use) in a correctly name Mailbox.  When I drag the all messages from these iCloud Mailboxes to the correct Mailbox, the iCloud folder disappears.

The named Rules are not in same same order as my Mailboxes but that shouldn’t matter, e.g., I could have used A,B,C… as names.  The Rules that has the changed target Mailbox is sometimes set to the next folder in Mail folder list or some other random folder (i.e., I haven’t detected a pattern).

---
For a few days all was fine and I thought Mail somehow fixed itself (nah) or Apple pushed out a fix under the covers but it stared up again (don’t know).

I may or may not have found a clue.  Last time I reset the target Mailboxes, I closed Mail Prefs.  Usually I leave Mail Prefs open for long periods, e.g., days because the mouse moves to get to the Mail/Preference/Rules is tedious when trying to rebuild a rules list from each message. I’m a zero/empty mailbox proponent. 

I deleted a very large set of rules last fall when Mail was crashing with a message that the crash occurred because it was trying to create a Mailbox without a name (yes it said that, and I wondered who hired that programmer).

I have about 30 main mailboxes and again as many sub mailboxes some up to 3 levels deep.

Per Gastropod, I have run the Sierra Combo update last fall  and I  tried using another User account but not keep it long enough. I had a project crunch that needed more attention.

I leave my Mac running 24/day and it goes to sleep by itself. This results in a login in the morning but not during the day (why not? Another mystery).

Again, I’m wondering whether others have experienced these actions and/or whether there is some surgical cleanup I can do in my User/system libraries to fix this. 

Any ideas.  TIA.  Mike





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Re: Problems with Mail Rules

John Robinson-3
I use Apple Mail in both iOS & High Sierra. I have two Gmail accounts and two Comcast accounts. For several months, there is a appx. 5 to 10 minute delay from the time I trash my emails, before I can quit the Mail app. Otherwise, if I quit too early the emails reappear, and I must trash them again. This never used to be the case. It’s only started 2-3 months ago.

Recently, if I move an open Apple Mail email to a gmail folder I made in past, this email could wind up in junk, or other gmail folders. It doesn’t happen all the time, but I never know sometimes where emails I keep and store in gmail, wind up, or if a iOS opened email really is trashed. It always seems to help for me to view gmail in macOS. I don’t know why. Hope it’s a temporary Google issue.

Sent from JRs iPad Pro 

On Feb 28, 2018, at 7:09 PM, Betty Fellows via TidBITS-Talk <[hidden email]> wrote:

I noticed yesterday and today, my rules were not automatically running when I logged into mail. I checked and the rules were still properly setup. I can't see any reason for the issue. This is very frustrating. I use mail on my iMac which is running the latest High Sierra. I shut down every evening and boot up fresh each morning. (I've not called AppleCare on the issue, yet.



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From: Mike Noonan <[hidden email]>
To: TidBITS Talk <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 4:56 PM
Subject: Fwd: Problems with Mail Rules

I am experienced a recurring problems with Rules. This has been happening since I updated to Sierra last fall.  I have a fully up to date 2013 MBP .

I’m wondering whether others have experienced these actions and/or whether there is some surgical cleanup I can do in my User/System libraries to fix this. 

The Rules magically change in twos ways:
- my original target mailbox gets changed to another mailbox name
- the target is set to "No Mailbox is found"
- the On My Mac/Recovered Messages folder is created and populated with message that have the No Mailbox is not found setting.

When I simply reset the targets, the Apply Rules option popup does not appear.  And, within a few downloads and they start to randomly fail again. 

I’ve run the Apply rules in the Recovered Messages, which of course the rules will fail again, but some of them have ended up in my iCloud account (which I do not use) in a correctly name Mailbox.  When I drag the all messages from these iCloud Mailboxes to the correct Mailbox, the iCloud folder disappears.

The named Rules are not in same same order as my Mailboxes but that shouldn’t matter, e.g., I could have used A,B,C… as names.  The Rules that has the changed target Mailbox is sometimes set to the next folder in Mail folder list or some other random folder (i.e., I haven’t detected a pattern).

---
For a few days all was fine and I thought Mail somehow fixed itself (nah) or Apple pushed out a fix under the covers but it stared up again (don’t know).

I may or may not have found a clue.  Last time I reset the target Mailboxes, I closed Mail Prefs.  Usually I leave Mail Prefs open for long periods, e.g., days because the mouse moves to get to the Mail/Preference/Rules is tedious when trying to rebuild a rules list from each message. I’m a zero/empty mailbox proponent. 

I deleted a very large set of rules last fall when Mail was crashing with a message that the crash occurred because it was trying to create a Mailbox without a name (yes it said that, and I wondered who hired that programmer).

I have about 30 main mailboxes and again as many sub mailboxes some up to 3 levels deep.

Per Gastropod, I have run the Sierra Combo update last fall  and I  tried using another User account but not keep it long enough. I had a project crunch that needed more attention.

I leave my Mac running 24/day and it goes to sleep by itself. This results in a login in the morning but not during the day (why not? Another mystery).

Again, I’m wondering whether others have experienced these actions and/or whether there is some surgical cleanup I can do in my User/system libraries to fix this. 

Any ideas.  TIA.  Mike





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