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Re: Third party mail clients

Robert Tallitsch
I just recently dumped AppleMail due to strange things happening as well. (Spontaneously adding recipients to my “to” field and dropping others.) While I am not as computer savvy regarding FERPA compliance and some of the other things that I mentioned I found (after trying several different e-mail clients) that AirMail was the best. It had all of the features that I wanted and wasn’t on lifesupport as Thunderbird. It also works very well with iOS, so that would be my recommendation.

Hope that helps.

Bob

On March, 28 2018, at 18:02:16, gastropod ([hidden email]) wrote:

I'm looking into third party mail clients, but none of the modern ones seem to have free demos so there are some important things I can't check. The client needs to be FERPA compliant, i.e., absolutely no mail, even metadata and headers, goes to someone else's server. From the feature lists, it looks like some could potentially be using a third party server for the organization and sorting. All we really need is multiple accounts (imap & maybe pop), support for a From: different than the email account username, decent search and basic filtering, and hopefully SpamSieve support. iOS as well as Mac would be good, too. Kind of like Mail, but hopefully with less disaster potential.

Does anyone have a favorite? Airmail gets most of the press. Thunderbird is the fallback option, but it's on life support at this point.

This has become a more urgent issue because a user's Mail spontaneously deleted all of the mail on his imap server account, deleted the account settings in Mail on the two Macs and refused to recreate them because the 'account already exists'. The trigger was probably that two devices (Mac mini and iPhone) somehow got Mail turned on for iCloud, but the Air account was deleted too. I still have no idea why one of them went nuclear on the server data, but this article claims that iCloud keychain confusion could cause the account deletions, and it possibly matches my failure to get a password out of Keychain Access on the mini because the window kept vanishing.

http://solutionowl.com/mac-mail-account-already-exists-capitan/

Fortunately, the server had backups that were restored, but there's still about a days' worth of mail that I'll have to try to rescue from some combination of Time Machine backups and maybe a Backblaze backup. Fortunately, the other five Mail accounts seem not to have any damage, but that's probably just luck. Keeping my fingers crossed that signing out of iCloud on all devices then signing back in will fix things--for awhile. I have "Take Control of iCloud", but the more my users embrace it, the farther away I keep my own stuff from it...

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Re: Third party mail clients

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On 28 Mar 2018, at 18:01, gastropod [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, I have a favorite.

MailMate is an IMAP email client for macOS featuring extensive keyboard control, Markdown integrated email composition, advanced search conditions and drill-down search links, equally advanced smart mailboxes, automatic signature handling, cryptographic encryption/signing (OpenPGP and S/MIME), tagging, multiple notification methods, alternative message viewer layouts including a widescreen layout, flexible integration with third party applications, and much more.

You can read about MailMate and its developer here.

Does anyone have a favorite? Airmail gets most of the press. Thunderbird is the fallback option, but it's on life support at this point.

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Re: Third party mail clients

Rick Holzgrafe

I’ll give a strong vote for Mailmate too. But it fails one checklist item: it’s only for macOS. I still use Apple Mail on iOS devices.

Oh, and Mailmate doesn’t do POP, only IMAP. Doesn’t bother me, but it might bother the OP.

On 28 Mar 2018, at 16:14, Richard Rettke wrote:

On 28 Mar 2018, at 18:01, gastropod [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, I have a favorite.

MailMate is an IMAP email client for macOS featuring extensive keyboard control, Markdown integrated email composition, advanced search conditions and drill-down search links, equally advanced smart mailboxes, automatic signature handling, cryptographic encryption/signing (OpenPGP and S/MIME), tagging, multiple notification methods, alternative message viewer layouts including a widescreen layout, flexible integration with third party applications, and much more.

You can read about MailMate and its developer here.

Does anyone have a favorite? Airmail gets most of the press. Thunderbird is the fallback option, but it's on life support at this point.

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Re: Third party mail clients

Randy B. Singer
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On Mar 28, 2018, at 4:01 PM, gastropod wrote:

> I'm looking into third party mail clients

Here are a couple of newer ones to check out.  One has a free demo, the other is simply free:

Canary ($10)  both Mac and iOS versions
http://canarymail.io/
(***Does end to end encrypted mail.***   Works well with Exchange and IMAP.)
Free three day trial available.

Spark (free) both Mac and iOS versions
https://sparkmailapp.com/
https://itunes.apple.com/app/id1176895641?mt=12
How-To: 50 getting started tips for new Spark users | 9to5Mac
https://9to5mac.com/2016/02/25/spark-email-getting-started-50-tips/

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Re: Third party mail clients

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On 2018-03-28 (17:01 MDT), gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I'm looking into third party mail clients, but none of the modern ones seem to have free demos so there are some important things I can't check.  The client needs to be FERPA compliant, i.e., absolutely no mail, even metadata and headers, goes to someone else's server.  From the feature lists, it looks like some could potentially be using a third party server for the organization and sorting.  All we really need is multiple accounts (imap & maybe pop), support for a From: different than the email account username, decent search and basic filtering, and hopefully SpamSieve support.  iOS as well as Mac would be good, too.  Kind of like Mail, but hopefully with less disaster potential.

Mail does all of this, and has no disaster potential I am aware of, and I've been using it for years.

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Re: Third party mail clients

Franconi Enrico
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I really tried hard to change the mail client both on the Mac and on the iPhone/iPad.
I’ve tried periodically all the combinations.
My outcome is that on the Mac Apple Mail has still no rivals in terms of functionalities, robustness, scalability. All the other clients (and my better choices would be Spark and AirMail) have different shortcomings, which at the end make them more unusable than Apple Mail.
On the other hand, on the iPhone/iPad side I am a very happy user since a year of Readdle Spark - not because it’s free (indeed, I’ve have paid to test all of its rivals) - but because it is robust, is more usable, has more features than Apple Mail.
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Re: Third party mail clients

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On Mar 29, 2018, at 5:21 AM, Franconi Enrico <[hidden email]> wrote:

On the other hand, on the iPhone/iPad side I am a very happy user since a year of Readdle Spark - not because it’s free (indeed, I’ve have paid to test all of its rivals) - but because it is robust, is more usable, has more features than Apple Mail.

I know this is a little off-topic, but with all of the discussion in the news lately about Facebook, privacy and how it is leaking, I think it should be pointed out that if you use Spark on iOS and have push notifications for email turned on (and who wouldn’t want that for email?), you are trusting a company to store your email credentials, retrieve all of your email to servers that they control, etc.

See https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/5grsan/do_not_use_the_spark_email_client_by_readdle/ and then Readdle’s response (which acknowledges that they stopped storing credentials if you are not using push notifications): https://blog.readdle.com/how-we-handle-your-account-information-in-spark-1b42f4acef73

As long as that is fine with you, that’s ok, but just be aware that it happens.

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Re: Third party mail clients

HOWARD KAUFMAN
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Perhaps Canary Mail.

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Re: Third party mail clients

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On Mar 29, 2018, at 2:21 AM, Franconi Enrico <[hidden email]> wrote:

My outcome is that on the Mac Apple Mail has still no rivals in terms of functionalities, robustness, scalability. All the other clients (and my better choices would be Spark and AirMail) have different shortcomings, which at the end make them more unusable than Apple Mail.

I completely agree. All mail clients lack one or more functions that Mail has. 

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Re: Third party mail clients

Bill Rowe
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On 3/28/18 at 4:01 PM, [hidden email] (gastropod) wrote:

>Does anyone have a favorite?  Airmail gets most of the press.
>Thunderbird is the fallback option, but it's on life support at this
>point.

Yes. My favorite is Mailsmith. Mailsmith is now free. So, you
can easily check out all of its features and see if they are
suitable for you. Mailsmith strengths include scriptability and
filtering of received email.

For some (not me) downsides include no support for IMAP.
Mailsmith is POP only. Additionally, Mailsmith does not display
HTML formated emails but does have a button that will hand it
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Re: Third party mail clients

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On Mar 29, 2018, at 18:54, Bill Rowe <[hidden email]> wrote:
> For some (not me) downsides include no support for IMAP.

This is a complete killer. I don’t have a single POP account and haven’t since 2001.

I’d love mailsmith if it were an IMAP client. Heck, I would have gladly bought it when it was not free.

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Re: Third party mail clients

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> On Mar 29, 2018, at 10:35 PM, gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, at 12:42 AM, @lbutlr wrote:
>
>> Mail does all of this, and has no disaster potential I am aware of, and
>> I've been using it for years.
>
> Ah, it's nice to know that spontaneously deleting all of the mail (4-5 GB) from the imap server along with the local copies of those messages, and refusing to create new accounts to that server on all three devices (two macs and an iphone) wasn't actually related to a disaster.

Wait - it deleted your On My Mac copies? And this is a known problem?


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Re: Third party mail clients

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On 2018-03-29 (20:35 MDT), gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, at 12:42 AM, @lbutlr wrote:
>
>> Mail does all of this, and has no disaster potential I am aware of, and
>> I've been using it for years.
>
> Ah, it's nice to know that spontaneously deleting all of the mail (4-5 GB) from the imap server along with the local copies of those messages, and refusing to create new accounts to that server on all three devices (two macs and an iphone) wasn't actually related to a disaster.

Having been using Mail for well over a decade on multiple machines with multiple accounts and hundreds of thousands of messages encompassing a mail store that is in excess of 15GB last I checked and supporting many other mail.app users for many years, I can say that I have never seen this, and I doubt that Mail had anything to do with it. Sure, it's possible, but it seems more likely this was a failure on the server side (and running my own mail server since the mid 90s, I am well aware of these sorts of catastrophes).

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Re: Third party mail clients

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On 3/29/18 at 7:39 PM, [hidden email] (gastropod) wrote:

>On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, at 7:23 PM, @lbutlr wrote:
>>On Mar 29, 2018, at 18:54, Bill Rowe <[hidden email]>
>>wrote:
>>>For some (not me) downsides include no support for IMAP.

>>This is a complete killer. I don’t have a single POP account and
>>haven’t since 2001.

>Ditto.  Presumably lack of energy or finances to add imap is why
>it's free now.

When Mailsmith was a paid product from BareBones there was a
conscious decision by BareBones to not support IMAP. I would not
describe it as a lack of energy or a lack of finances.

At this point, I believe Rich Siegel maintains Mailsmith as a
labor of love. POP accounts seem to be generally available. Or
at least I've not encountered a situation where I've been unable
to use POP.

If you are accessing your email from multiple machines, clearly
IMAP is something you will want. But for me, I only access my
main email from one machine. So, POP works for me. And I've yet
to see any email client that offers anything approaching
Mailsmith's capability with regard to scripting and filtering.
So, until some update of the OS breaks Mailsmith, it will
continue to be my email client of choice.




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Re: Third party mail clients

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On 2018-04-02 (20:16 MDT), Bill Rowe <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> When Mailsmith was a paid product from BareBones there was a conscious decision by BareBones to not support IMAP. I would not describe it as a lack of energy or a lack of finances.

And it was a decision I argued and pleaded and begged against, because I really wanted to use it as my mail client.

> At this point, I believe Rich Siegel maintains Mailsmith as a labor of love. POP accounts seem to be generally available. Or at least I've not encountered a situation where I've been unable to use POP.

My mail server hasn't supported POP in many many years (15?), though I did just add support for it for users who want to deal with their mail in gmail, but doing that disables their access to IMAP, spam filtering, sorting, etc.

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Re: Third party mail clients

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> POP accounts seem to be generally available. Or at least I've not encountered a situation where I've been unable to use POP.

Then you obviously don't have a DotMac/MobileMe/iCloud mail account. They haven't supported POP for many years. I suspect the majority of readers here do have such accounts.

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Re: Third party mail clients

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On 2018-04-03 (00:01 MDT), "@lbutlr" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On 2018-04-02 (20:16 MDT), Bill Rowe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> When Mailsmith was a paid product from BareBones there was a conscious decision by BareBones to not support IMAP. I would not describe it as a lack of energy or a lack of finances.
>
> And it was a decision I argued and pleaded and begged against, because I really wanted to use it as my mail client.
>
>> At this point, I believe Rich Siegel maintains Mailsmith as a labor of love. POP accounts seem to be generally available. Or at least I've not encountered a situation where I've been unable to use POP.
>
> My mail server hasn't supported POP in many many years (15?), though I did just add support for it for users who want to deal with their mail in gmail, but doing that disables their access to IMAP, spam filtering, sorting, etc.

Also, gmail has never supported pop that I recall*. The only use of pop ion gmail is to access another account and pull the mail in to gmail.


* Maybe when it launched there was some way to enable POP access? But if so I never used it and it was short-lived.

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Re: Third party mail clients

Rodney

On Apr 3, 2018, at 08:12, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:

Also, gmail has never supported pop that I recall*. The only use of pop ion gmail is to access another account and pull the mail in to gmail.

Yes it did support POP. That was reason I switched to Gmail from Yahoo for my non-work account. At the time, Yahoo only offered webmail access for free. If you wanted POP, you had to pay Yahoo. Gmail offered free POP accounts. I have never liked webmail.

I kept my Gmail account as POP for quite a while. I only had a desktop computer at home and a laptop for fairly infrequent travel, so this wasn’t a problem. Then, when smartphones and tablets came along, POP became too burdensome so I switched to IMAP. I now have accounts with four different providers, and all are IMAP.



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Re: Third party mail clients

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On Apr 2, 2018, at 11:12 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> On 2018-04-03 (00:01 MDT), "@lbutlr" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-04-02 (20:16 MDT), Bill Rowe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> When Mailsmith was a paid product from BareBones there was a conscious decision by BareBones to not support IMAP. I would not describe it as a lack of energy or a lack of finances.
>>
>> And it was a decision I argued and pleaded and begged against, because I really wanted to use it as my mail client.
>>
>>> At this point, I believe Rich Siegel maintains Mailsmith as a labor of love. POP accounts seem to be generally available. Or at least I've not encountered a situation where I've been unable to use POP.
>>
>> My mail server hasn't supported POP in many many years (15?), though I did just add support for it for users who want to deal with their mail in gmail, but doing that disables their access to IMAP, spam filtering, sorting, etc.
>
> Also, gmail has never supported pop that I recall*. The only use of pop ion gmail is to access another account and pull the mail in to gmail.
>
> * Maybe when it launched there was some way to enable POP access? But if so I never used it and it was short-lived.

I was forced to be an early adopter of Gmail and rarely use it for anything, but at that time it was POP only. When they did start to offer IMAP, I had to enable it using a web browser to get to preferences before I could use any IMAP client to access my messages. Last time I looked you could still have POP or IMAP or both enabled on the server.

-Al-


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Re: Third party mail clients

Brian L. Matthews
In reply to this post by @lbutlr
On 4/2/18 11:12 PM, @lbutlr wrote:
> Also, gmail has never supported pop that I recall*. The only use of
> pop ion gmail is to access another account and pull the mail in to gmail.

gmail definitely supports POP, the account I'm using to send this I only
access using POP from Thunderbird.

Brian


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