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Re: macOS 10.13.4 Warns Users about 32-Bit Apps

John Burt
Cool trick with the "About This Mac." Thanks.

Unfortunately, on this computer only one 32 bit app is not from Apple, EyeTV. It's the number one app used on two computers and number two on another. I doubt Elgato will update it to 64 bit. If they don't, I guess I won't be buying any new computers once the app becomes unusable.

Thanks again for the app listing trick.

John

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macOS 10.13.4 Warns Users about 32-Bit Apps

At last year’s WWDC, Apple warned that macOS 10.13 High Sierra would be the final version of macOS to run 32-bit apps “without compromise” (Marc Zeedar commented on this problem for both macOS and iOS in “The Problem With Abandoned Apps,” 17 July 2017).

Apple's warning about apps requiring 64-bit support going forward.

Apple is now taking the next step toward deprecating 32-bit apps, displaying a one-time warning when you first launch a 32-bit app in macOS 10.13.4.

A warning that Levelator is not 64-bit.

As Apple’s accompanying support article says, you can keep using your 32-bit apps for now, but you should expect problems come macOS 10.14, presumably arriving sometime in September or October of this year. But that doesn’t mean you won’t be able to run those older apps. In fact, Jason Snell of Six Colors says that you probably will be able to run those apps in macOS 10.14:

While Apple hasn’t detailed exactly what “without compromise” means, it’s my understanding that 32-bit apps will run on the successor to High Sierra due this fall… just with some sort of undefined compromise. (That could mean more aggressive alert dialog boxes or even a requirement that you set your Mac to run in a 32-bit compatibility mode complete with performance and feature penalties. Or something else. We just don’t know.)

Thankfully, it’s easy to see which of your apps are 32-bit:

  1. Click the Apple menu and choose About This Mac.
  2. In the Overview screen, click System Report to launch the System Information utility.

    About This Mac in High Sierra.

  3. In System Information’s sidebar, under Software, click Applications. It may take a minute for the list to populate with a list of apps installed on your Mac.
  4. Click the header of the rightmost column, labeled 64-bit so that entries marked as No are listed first (if it sorts the Yes entries first, click it a second time).

    A list of installed apps lacking 64-bit support.

You will likely have quite a few 32-bit apps, as I do, and they’ll fall into a few categories:

  • Extra copies of old apps for which you’ve already installed 64-bit versions. You may be surprised how many of these are on your drive, but you can likely delete them.
  • Apps that already have 64-bit updates available, but which you haven’t updated yet.
  • Apps under active development that don’t yet have 64-bit updates available, but almost certainly will before it’s a problem.
  • Older versions of apps that may have a 64-bit update that you don’t wish to install for other reasons.
  • Abandoned apps that will never receive a 64-bit update.

The last two categories are where you may run into trouble. It’s unimaginable that Apple would update the still-used Final Cut 7 and QuickTime Pro 7 to 64-bit, nor would Apple ever update the discontinued iDVD. There are other apps with a questionable future where developers may do just enough work to keep the app functional. For instance, The Levelator has long been abandoned, but The Conversions Network released a special update for it in 2015 to get it working in OS X 10.11 El Capitan (see “The Levelator 2.1.2 Works in El Capitan,” 9 April 2018).

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EyeTV replacement

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> On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:32 PM, SciFiOneA <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Cool trick with the "About This Mac." Thanks.
>
> Unfortunately, on this computer only one 32 bit app is not from Apple, EyeTV. It's the number one app used on two computers and number two on another. I doubt Elgato will update it to 64 bit. If they don't, I guess I won't be buying any new computers once the app becomes unusable.
>
> Thanks again for the app listing trick.
>
> John

The morons at Geniatech who bought EyeTV already broke all Silicon Dust HD HomeRun devices with their latest software updates. They are no longer compatible and Silicon Dust has no idea why Geniatech stopped support. So I’ve already had to move on to something else. The DVR software from Silicon Dust is very primitive. I signed up a subscription but it was pretty bad. So I switched to Plex DVR. Much better. I don’t like their Program Guide much but everything else works pretty flawlessly and unlike EyeTV it is actively supported. Take a look.




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Re: macOS 10.13.4 Warns Users about 32-Bit Apps

James R Cutler
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Elgato will not ever update EyeTV. Geniatech now owns the product and is already removing features/functions. For example, the latest version of EyeTV no longer supports HDHomeRun receivers. Apparently, one must buy a Geniatech-branded receiver to guarantee a working system. This is especially unfortunate since EyeTV has what is by far the best scheduling interface for recordings.

EyeTV function is apparently no longer a particularly apropriate criterion for future computer purchase decisions.


On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:32 PM, SciFiOneA <[hidden email]> wrote:

Cool trick with the "About This Mac." Thanks.

Unfortunately, on this computer only one 32 bit app is not from Apple, EyeTV. It's the number one app used on two computers and number two on another. I doubt Elgato will update it to 64 bit. If they don't, I guess I won't be buying any new computers once the app becomes unusable.

Thanks again for the app listing trick.

John




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Re: macOS 10.13.4 Warns Users about 32-Bit Apps

John Burt
More importantly to me the EyeTV-HD hardware is not longer sold in the US.



On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 2:35 PM, James R Cutler <[hidden email]> wrote:
Elgato will not ever update EyeTV. Geniatech now owns the product and is already removing features/functions. For example, the latest version of EyeTV no longer supports HDHomeRun receivers. Apparently, one must buy a Geniatech-branded receiver to guarantee a working system. This is especially unfortunate since EyeTV has what is by far the best scheduling interface for recordings.

EyeTV function is apparently no longer a particularly apropriate criterion for future computer purchase decisions.


On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:32 PM, SciFiOneA <[hidden email]> wrote:

Cool trick with the "About This Mac." Thanks.

Unfortunately, on this computer only one 32 bit app is not from Apple, EyeTV. It's the number one app used on two computers and number two on another. I doubt Elgato will update it to 64 bit. If they don't, I guess I won't be buying any new computers once the app becomes unusable.

Thanks again for the app listing trick.

John




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Re: EyeTV replacement

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I have Plex on my wishlist for future reverence. I record broadcast, streaming, and my own DVDs on the computers for future use, better playback control, and portability. That requires a box and software that can convert the incoming signals to a computer readable and saveable format.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 2:31 PM, James Bailey <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:32 PM, SciFiOneA <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Cool trick with the "About This Mac." Thanks.
>
> Unfortunately, on this computer only one 32 bit app is not from Apple, EyeTV. It's the number one app used on two computers and number two on another. I doubt Elgato will update it to 64 bit. If they don't, I guess I won't be buying any new computers once the app becomes unusable.
>
> Thanks again for the app listing trick.
>
> John

The morons at Geniatech who bought EyeTV already broke all Silicon Dust HD HomeRun devices with their latest software updates. They are no longer compatible and Silicon Dust has no idea why Geniatech stopped support. So I’ve already had to move on to something else. The DVR software from Silicon Dust is very primitive. I signed up a subscription but it was pretty bad. So I switched to Plex DVR. Much better. I don’t like their Program Guide much but everything else works pretty flawlessly and unlike EyeTV it is actively supported. Take a look.




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Re: EyeTV replacement

Marc Zeedar-2



> On Apr 13, 2018, at 5:01 PM, SciFiOneA <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I have Plex on my wishlist for future reverence.... requires a box and software that can convert the incoming signals to a computer readable and saveable format.

One cool feature of Plex is that it can read just about any format and will transparently convert it on the fly to a compatible format when it streams to a device. I’ve gotten a lot less fussy about what formats my media is in as I can just drop it in my Plex folder and it will understand it.


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Re: EyeTV replacement

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On 2018-04-13 (18:01 MDT), SciFiOneA <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I have Plex on my wishlist for future reverence. I record broadcast, streaming, and my own DVDs on the computers for future use, better playback control, and portability. That requires a box and software that can convert the incoming signals to a computer readable and saveable format.

Plex works very well, it even recently added the ability to record over the air broadcasts, including stripping commercials. I used it during the olympics so my wife could watch some of the events.

You will need something like the Silicon Dusk HD HomeRun plugged in to your LAN and an antenna, but the results were perfectly usable.

The UI is clear enough that my 81yo mother and random house guest are able to figure it out (something I cannot say for Kodi née XBMC).




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Re: EyeTV replacement

John Burt
On my wishlist too. Thanks

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 6:17 AM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 2018-04-13 (18:01 MDT), SciFiOneA <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I have Plex on my wishlist for future reverence. I record broadcast, streaming, and my own DVDs on the computers for future use, better playback control, and portability. That requires a box and software that can convert the incoming signals to a computer readable and saveable format.

Plex works very well, it even recently added the ability to record over the air broadcasts, including stripping commercials. I used it during the olympics so my wife could watch some of the events.

You will need something like the Silicon Dusk HD HomeRun plugged in to your LAN and an antenna, but the results were perfectly usable.

The UI is clear enough that my 81yo mother and random house guest are able to figure it out (something I cannot say for Kodi née XBMC).




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Re: EyeTV replacement

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Good to know about EyeTV. I haven't used mine in a long time. I got it for digitizing VHS and Hi-8 video. I will be sure to check that I don't have any digital versions that depend on the EyeTV software.

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On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 11:47 AM, SciFiOneA <[hidden email]> wrote:
On my wishlist too. Thanks

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 6:17 AM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 2018-04-13 (18:01 MDT), SciFiOneA <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I have Plex on my wishlist for future reverence. I record broadcast, streaming, and my own DVDs on the computers for future use, better playback control, and portability. That requires a box and software that can convert the incoming signals to a computer readable and saveable format.

Plex works very well, it even recently added the ability to record over the air broadcasts, including stripping commercials. I used it during the olympics so my wife could watch some of the events.

You will need something like the Silicon Dusk HD HomeRun plugged in to your LAN and an antenna, but the results were perfectly usable.

The UI is clear enough that my 81yo mother and random house guest are able to figure it out (something I cannot say for Kodi née XBMC).




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Re: EyeTV replacement

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On Apr 16, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Paul Chernoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

Good to know about EyeTV. I haven't used mine in a long time. I got it for digitizing VHS and Hi-8 video. I will be sure to check that I don't have any digital versions that depend on the EyeTV software

No worries. Plex should recognize an EyeTV recording.

In any case, each EyeTV recording is a package. Right/Control-Click and select “Show Package Contents”. The recording is in a file named similarly to "000000002055eb80.mpg”. This is recognized and playable by multiple applications.



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Re: EyeTV replacement

John Burt
Is there a video editor to replace EyeTV (with EyeTV's simplicity) for MP4s?

(I've already looked at Handbrake many times but it is too unintuitive for me.)

VLMC is coming from VideoLan but is not ready yet.

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On Apr 16, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Paul Chernoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

Good to know about EyeTV. I haven't used mine in a long time. I got it for digitizing VHS and Hi-8 video. I will be sure to check that I don't have any digital versions that depend on the EyeTV software

No worries. Plex should recognize an EyeTV recording.

In any case, each EyeTV recording is a package. Right/Control-Click and select “Show Package Contents”. The recording is in a file named similarly to "000000002055eb80.mpg”. This is recognized and playable by multiple applications.



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