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John Ferman-2
Do any readers here have any suggesting curing a slow Mac. It is a MacBookPro running El Capitan.

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Re: Slow MacBookPro

Charles Hawkins
Have you checked memory usage in Activity Monitor?  Firefox for one is a memory hog and doesn’t seem to release RAM until you quit and restart it.  Low memory is the main culprit on my MBP when it gets to operating sluggishly.

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Re: Slow MacBookPro

Kim Gammelgaard
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Check how much disk space you have left. Anything below 20% and/or 60GB may lead to slowdowns in my experience.


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Re: Slow MacBookPro

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On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 12:38 PM, John Ferman <[hidden email]> wrote:
Do any readers here have any suggesting curing a slow Mac. It is a MacBookPro running El Capitan.

That’s what Speeding Up Your Mac: A Joe On Tech Guide is about:


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Re: Slow MacBookPro

Paul Chernoff
Check your LaunchAgents folder in your account's Library folder. I helped someone today with a slow MacBook Air. There was a facebook video entry in this folder which is known to slow down Macs. No one ever remembers installing Facebook video calling services but it is there anyway. Throwing it away and restarting the MacBook Air fixed the problem.

There are a number of web based malware exploits that install files in this folder. If you see anything odd in this folder research what you see.

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Re: Slow MacBookPro

Fritz Mills
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I would also check CPU usage in Activity Monitor. For a long time, under both Yosemite and El Cap I had a problem with kernel_task using up to 800% of my CPU, slowing everything to a crawl. I finally found a fix on the Intertubes. If that’s your problem, contact me directly and I will send you the instructions for fixing it. 


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Have you checked memory usage in Activity Monitor?  Firefox for one is a memory hog and doesn’t seem to release RAM until you quit and restart it.  Low memory is the main culprit on my MBP when it gets to operating sluggishly.

Chuck

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Re: Slow MacBookPro

Vince Winterling
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I’ve found Mr. Singer’s recommendations of value:

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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Re: Slow MacBookPro

Hector I Macedo-3
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That does not make any sense, any application using 100% of the memory would kill all other functions, ergo 800% is not possible.

On Mar 17, 2017, at 12:59 PM,3/17/17, Fritz Mills <[hidden email]> wrote:

I would also check CPU usage in Activity Monitor. For a long time, under both Yosemite and El Cap I had a problem with kernel_task using up to 800% of my CPU, slowing everything to a crawl. I finally found a fix on the Intertubes. If that’s your problem, contact me directly and I will send you the instructions for fixing it. 


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Re: Slow MacBookPro

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On Mar 17, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Hector I Macedo <[hidden email]> wrote:

That does not make any sense, any application using 100% of the memory would kill all other functions, ergo 800% is not possible.

I’m no expert on this, but I think it means it’s using 800% of the CPU cycle and not the memory. Memory and CPU are two different things. The CPU should get super hot from overworking and fans should start spinning full blast. And the computer should still keep going. 

By the same token, if apps happen to use more memory than the machine has, virtual memory should kick in. Surely, it will be slow. But it should still work. 

macOS is a beautiful thing. 

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Re: Slow MacBookPro

Al Varnell
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The reason you have received so many different suggestions is that we have no idea what you are referring to.

What, exactly is slow? Finder, startup, login, browser, application launch, emptying trash?

What's your setup? RAM, free space on drive, browser plugins & extensions, etc.

Try running EtreCheck and if you have questions, post results back here for us.
<http://etrecheck.com/>

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> Do any readers here have any suggesting curing a slow Mac. It is a MacBookPro running El Capitan.
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Re: Slow MacBookPro

Randy B. Singer
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On Mar 17, 2017, at 9:38 AM, John Ferman wrote:

> Do any readers here have any suggesting curing a slow Mac.

I actually have a Web site dedicated to this:

Macintosh OS X Slowdown Solutions
http://www.macattorney.com/sd.html

That said, I often hear from folks complaining that their Macintosh is running slow, and about 90% of the time the problem is that they are running a third party anti-virus software.  (Most commonly Sophos, because it is available for free.)  When they uninstall the program with the developer's uninstaller program, things instantly go back to normal.

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Re: Slow MacBookPro

Curtis Wilcox
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Activity Monitor and other measures don't use a scale of 0 to 100% of all available CPU power, but 0 to 100% per processor core. Most Macs have 2 cores, some have 4, Mac Pros have many more, depending on the configuration. Additionally, hyper-threading support can report activity for 2 threads per core so a 4-core i7 could report 800% use.

Regardless of how many cores you have, CPU use of 100% or more for an extended period when you're not knowingly running a program performing a processing-intensive task suggests there's a problem. If restarting your computer makes it stop, it's generally not worth investigating further unless it keeps happening.

On Mar 17, 2017, at 5:26 PM, Hector I Macedo <[hidden email]> wrote:

That does not make any sense, any application using 100% of the memory would kill all other functions, ergo 800% is not possible.

On Mar 17, 2017, at 12:59 PM,3/17/17, Fritz Mills <[hidden email]> wrote:

I would also check CPU usage in Activity Monitor. For a long time, under both Yosemite and El Cap I had a problem with kernel_task using up to 800% of my CPU, slowing everything to a crawl. I finally found a fix on the Intertubes. If that’s your problem, contact me directly and I will send you the instructions for fixing it. 




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Re: Slow MacBookPro

Hector I Macedo-3
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Regardless of what is being used, 100% means ALL, so you can not use 8 times of ALL, that is what I’m talking about, correct use of the language is essential for communication.

On Mar 17, 2017, at 7:15 PM,3/17/17, Ryoichi Morita <[hidden email]> wrote:

I’m no expert on this, but I think it means it’s using 800% of the CPU cycle and not the memory. Memory and CPU are two different things. The CPU should get super hot from overworking and fans should start spinning full blast. And the computer should still keep going. 
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Re: Slow MacBookPro

Curtis Wilcox
On Mar 18, 2017, at 12:33 PM, Hector I Macedo <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Regardless of what is being used, 100% means ALL, so you can not use 8 times of ALL, that is what I’m talking about, correct use of the language is essential for communication.

100% can be all but it has to be all of something. You're assuming 100% means all the CPU a computer has but Activity Monitor and other tools report percentages based on processor cores or even hyper-threads within cores. A Mac with two cores that don't do hyper-threading, when using all it's CPU power will report 200% use.




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Re: Slow MacBookPro

Hector I Macedo-3
Curtis, it does not matter of what you measure, you can only use up to 100% of that something, regardless of how many cores, the sum of them will be still 100% independent of what is reported, those are “conventions” of usage, not really accurate measures. Only theoretical numbers can be over the “real” 100% 


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100% can be all but it has to be all of something. You're assuming 100% means all the CPU a computer has but Activity Monitor and other tools report percentages based on processor cores or even hyper-threads within cores. A Mac with two cores that don't do hyper-threading, when using all it's CPU power will report 200% use.




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Re: Slow MacBookPro

Al Varnell
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Well, you may disagree with what Apple chooses to report, but they have been doing so since the introduction of multi-core processors for many years and most of us have accepted the situation, so we are just trying to educate you on the way it is.

If you like tilting windmills, feel free to contact Apple and pressure them to change their ways.

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On Mar 18, 2017, at 9:33 AM, Hector I Macedo <[hidden email]> wrote:

Regardless of what is being used, 100% means ALL, so you can not use 8 times of ALL, that is what I’m talking about, correct use of the language is essential for communication.

On Mar 17, 2017, at 7:15 PM,3/17/17, Ryoichi Morita <[hidden email]> wrote:

I’m no expert on this, but I think it means it’s using 800% of the CPU cycle and not the memory. Memory and CPU are two different things. The CPU should get super hot from overworking and fans should start spinning full blast. And the computer should still keep going. 
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Re: Slow MacBookPro

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> On Mar 18, 2017, at 23:35, Al Varnell <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Well, you may disagree with what Apple chooses to report, but they have been doing so since the introduction of multi-core processors for many years and most of us have accepted the situation, so we are just trying to educate you on the way it is.

IIRC, that's true of UNIX in general.



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Re: Slow MacBookPro

Hector I Macedo-3
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I will have to accept that, I alway have been a Don Quijote and my Dulcinea will not let me knee down to false images 8^)).

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ote:


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Re: Slow MacBookPro

@lbutlr
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On 2017-03-18 (16:09 MDT), Hector I Macedo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On Mar 18, 2017, at 12:59 PM,3/18/17, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> 100% can be all but it has to be all of something. You're assuming 100% means all the CPU a computer has but Activity Monitor and other tools report percentages based on processor cores or even hyper-threads within cores. A Mac with two cores that don't do hyper-threading, when using all it's CPU power will report 200% use.

> Curtis, it does not matter of what you measure, you can only use up to 100% of that something, regardless of how many cores, the sum of them will be still 100% independent of what is reported, those are “conventions” of usage, not really accurate measures. Only theoretical numbers can be over the “real” 100%

No. My machine pegs at 400% CPU because it has 4 cores. My iMac has 4 cores and hyper threading, so it pegs at 800% CPU.

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Re: Slow MacBookPro

Bill Rausch
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On 3/18/17 3:44 PM, Rodney wrote:
>> On Mar 18, 2017, at 23:35, Al Varnell <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Well, you may disagree with what Apple chooses to report, but they have been doing so since the introduction of multi-core processors for many years and most of us have accepted the situation, so we are just trying to educate you on the way it is.
> IIRC, that's true of UNIX in general.
>
Yes. And keep in mind that the reporting was originally intended for use
by programmers and system administrators, not end users. When multi-core
first became available, it was very convenient as a developer to see
something like "125%" utilization and be able to easily compare that to
a single core machine. Parallel algorithm development was (and is to a
certain extent) an art, not a science.

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