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The End of Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 is Nigh

By Josh Centers
http://tidbits.com/article/17414

If you still use Microsoft Office for Mac 2011, it’s time to make some decisions. Two events are convening that could make it unusable in the future:

  • Microsoft is ending support for Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 on 10 October 2017. Microsoft will not issue any more updates for the suite after that date.

  • Apple is phasing out support for 32-bit apps starting in 2018, and Apple has stated that macOS 10.13 High Sierra will be the last version of macOS that will support 32-bit apps without compromises. What that means exactly is uncertain, but needless to say, if you depend on 32-bit apps like Office 2011, it’s time to think about the future.

Although Office 2011 should work on macOS 10.13 High Sierra, Microsoft is offering no guarantees, saying “Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook and Lync have not been tested on macOS 10.13 High Sierra, and no formal support for this configuration will be provided.” If you use Office 2011 on High Sierra, you’re on your own.

In summary, if you still use Office 2011, you need to decide on one of the following options:

  • Hold off on updating to High Sierra and continue using Office 2011. This buys you some time, but isn’t a sound long-term solution. Avoiding updates to both macOS and Microsoft Office will expose you to security vulnerabilities that will inevitably be discovered.

  • Buy a copy of Office 2016. Office Home & Student 2016 is $149.99, while Office Home & Business 2016 for Mac is $229.00. Both are limited to one user and one Mac. The only difference between the two is that the latter includes Outlook while the former doesn’t.

  • Subscribe to Office 365, which is what Microsoft would rather you do. Office 365 Personal is $69.99 per year or $6.99 per month while Office 365 Home is $9.99 per month or $99.99 per year. The only difference is that the former only supports one user, while the latter supports up to five. You also get other goodies, like access to the iOS apps, OneDrive cloud storage, and Skype minutes.

  • Switch to an alternative, such as Apple’s iWork suite. However, I’m assuming that if you could have done that, you already would have. Many people rely on Microsoft Office for their jobs, and alternatives aren’t acceptable. But if you don’t use Office for a living, you could save a lot of money by switching to iWork or one of the OpenOffice variants.

    Check out “Your Favorite Mac Word Processors” (17 July 2017) for guidance on the word processor front. However, I can say from personal experience that nothing quite compares to Excel in the spreadsheet category — Numbers offers a few unique benefits, and is great for home users, but nothing can crunch numbers as well as Excel. However, most people acknowledge Keynote as being superior to PowerPoint for creating presentations — assuming PowerPoint compatibility isn’t your main priority.

Weigh your options, but make a choice sooner than later. The longer you hold off on the transition, the more painful it will likely be.

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Re: TidBITS: The End of Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 is Nigh

John Burt
I've used OpenOffice for about 8 years. The two most important files I have are large flat XLS spreadsheets. Both are over 30 years old and one is used daily

Nothing that old from Apple is remotely viable so I avoid Apple apps when longevity is needed. I also have MSOffice 2011 for a limited number of small things.

The caveat is the version of OpenOffice I use does not have good XLSX support. I hope they port the app to 64 bit and maybe improve XLSX support.


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Switch to an alternative, such as Apple’s iWork suite. However, I’m assuming that if you could have done that, you already would have. Many people rely on Microsoft Office for their jobs, and alternatives aren’t acceptable. But if you don’t use Office for a living, you could save a lot of money by switching to iWork or one of the OpenOffice variants.




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Re: TidBITS: The End of Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 is Nigh

Tom Robinson
If you’re running Apache OpenOffice it’s lacking devs and there’s been talk of shutting it down.

I recommend switching to LibreOffice… it was forked from OpenOffice in 2010, and most of the developers followed thanks to Sun’s mismanagement.  LibreOffice is already 64-bit and import/export see regular work.

Cheers


> On 2017-08-24, at 05:59, SciFiOneA . <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I've used OpenOffice for about 8 years. The two most important files I have are large flat XLS spreadsheets. Both are over 30 years old and one is used daily
>
> Nothing that old from Apple is remotely viable so I avoid Apple apps when longevity is needed. I also have MSOffice 2011 for a limited number of small things.
>
> The caveat is the version of OpenOffice I use does not have good XLSX support. I hope they port the app to 64 bit and maybe improve XLSX support.




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Re: TidBITS: The End of Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 is Nigh

Alexander Forbes
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On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:27 AM, TidBITS Articles <[hidden email]> wrote:

  • Buy a copy of Office 2016. Office Home & Student 2016 is $149.99, while Office Home & Business 2016 for Mac is $229.00. Both are limited to one user and one Mac. The only difference between the two is that the latter includes Outlook while the former doesn’t.


Thanks for the heads up, Josh.

I have Word .doc files going back to the 1990's. and have faithfully converted them to .docx as needed. I have hundreds of Word documents. mostly in secure archives. No way am I going to convert them all into some other proprietary format. I've relied on Excel for as long but to a lesser extend than word. I tried Numbers recently for a simple checklist and went back to my Excel version. I don't give a hang for Outlook for Mac and use Apple Mail exclusively.

I do have an old 2009 Mac stuck on El Capitan and that will keep me going as long as the machine lasts, but I don't want to gamble on waiting that long.

Like so many, I used Office extensively in the workplace. At home, I adopted it early on as a standard, having already been burnt several times by ephemeral Apple file formats. I assumed the Microsoft formats would be around forever. I guess I will be going up $229 for Office 2016 when the budget permits.

Alex




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Re: TidBITS: The End of Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 is Nigh

John Burt
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Thanks. I'll give it a try,

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Tom Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
If you’re running Apache OpenOffice it’s lacking devs and there’s been talk of shutting it down.

I recommend switching to LibreOffice… it was forked from OpenOffice in 2010, and most of the developers followed thanks to Sun’s mismanagement.  LibreOffice is already 64-bit and import/export see regular work.

Cheers


> On 2017-08-24, at 05:59, SciFiOneA . <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I've used OpenOffice for about 8 years. The two most important files I have are large flat XLS spreadsheets. Both are over 30 years old and one is used daily
>
> Nothing that old from Apple is remotely viable so I avoid Apple apps when longevity is needed. I also have MSOffice 2011 for a limited number of small things.
>
> The caveat is the version of OpenOffice I use does not have good XLSX support. I hope they port the app to 64 bit and maybe improve XLSX support.




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Re: TidBITS: The End of Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 is Nigh

Brian L. Matthews
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On 8/23/17 2:26 PM, gastropod wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017, at 02:14 PM, Tom Robinson wrote:
>
>> I recommend switching to LibreOffice… it was forked from OpenOffice in
>> 2010, and most of the developers followed thanks to Sun’s mismanagement.
>> LibreOffice is already 64-bit and import/export see regular work.
> Ditto.  Libre is also very good at being able to read and convert old
> formats from a variety of software, and at rescuing corrupted Office
> files.

I try LibreOffice ever so often (including a few minutes ago, prompted
by this thread), but the Calc portion has enough differences from Excel
that it would be a lot of work/impossible to convert most of my
spreadsheets. Here are a few things I noticed:

- The format of the result of =CELL("filename",RC) is different between
Libre and Excel. I don't use that a lot, and I could edit the formulas
where I use it relatively easily, but that's work, and it means the
spreadsheet won't work right in Excel.
- Libre calculates character widths differently than Excel or something,
because when I first open an Excel spreadsheet in Libre basically
everything is ####'s. I can obviously resize the columns, but that's
more work.
- The "bottom n" conditional formatting in Excel ignores blank cells but
doesn't in Libre, and blank cells sort before cells with things in them,
so basically all my blank cells are formatted, not the actual bottom n
values.
- I can't get it to run macros from other documents. If I open the
document containing the macros, they work fine in that document, but a
different document that references them doesn't run them. This works
fine in Excel. While I could probably copy the macros to all the
documents I use them in, that's obviously a flawed solution.
- The trick for finding the last value in a column or row doesn't seem
to work, and with some brief searching I couldn't find a replacement.
- While editing a formula, in Excel you can click on a function and
Excel opens the help page for that function. Not so in Libre.

That's in about a minute of playing with Libre, just opening a couple of
my most used spreadsheets. So while Libre's Calc is a valiant effort,
and may work fine for someone new to spreadsheets or with relatively
simple spreadsheet requirements, it's not an Excel replacement,
unfortunately.

Brian


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Re: TidBITS: The End of Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 is Nigh

David Brostoff-2
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On Aug 23, 2017, at 2:45 PM, Alexander Forbes <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I guess I will be going up $229 for Office 2016 when the budget permits.

Anticipating the change a few months ago, I bought Microsoft Office for Home and Business 2016 (download) at a discount here:
<https://softwarekeep.com/microsoft-office-home-and-business-2016-for-mac.html>

I see the price for "today only" is $159, so based on the fact that I paid $149 in June, I assume they will have similar offers in the future. (Or of course maybe they have them all the time.)  

David


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RE: TidBITS: The End of Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 is Nigh

Tech@lauterbach5.com
Don't forget if you have a Microsoft Office365 account at work, you get a license for home too (it's usually 5 licenses, Mac or Windows).

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On Aug 23, 2017, at 2:45 PM, Alexander Forbes <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I guess I will be going up $229 for Office 2016 when the budget permits.

Anticipating the change a few months ago, I bought Microsoft Office for Home and Business 2016 (download) at a discount here:
<https://softwarekeep.com/microsoft-office-home-and-business-2016-for-mac.html>

I see the price for "today only" is $159, so based on the fact that I paid $149 in June, I assume they will have similar offers in the future. (Or of course maybe they have them all the time.)  

David


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Re: TidBITS: The End of Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 is Nigh

Nigel Stanger-2
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Educational institutions that have Microsoft volume licensing should be part of the Home Use Program. Staff can get a copy of Office for home use for about US$10 (or in my case, NZ$15). Of course, that’s only valid while you’re working for your institution, but it’s still a nice benefit if you can get it.

https://www.microsofthup.com/

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Re: TidBITS: The End of Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 is Nigh

Nigel Stanger-2
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On Thu Aug 24 2017 09:26:59, gastropod spake thus:
>
> Ditto.  Libre is also very good at being able to read and convert old
> formats from a variety of software

Including, would you believe, MacDraw documents from 1991. I think I have a new best friend :).

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Re: TidBITS: The End of Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 is Nigh

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> On Aug 23, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Nigel Stanger <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Educational institutions that have Microsoft volume licensing should be part of the Home Use Program. Staff can get a copy of Office for home use for about US$10 (or in my case, NZ$15).

Not just educational institutions — many for-profit businesses as well.  

A few months back when I replaced my hard drive with an SSD, I could not find my old license code for Office 2011.  But for $10 I was able to order the current version through the HUP and that works well.

At my employer, the HUP is listed on the employee benefit page on our internal web site.

Dave



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Re: TidBITS: The End of Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 is Nigh

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That is my version! I am up to the OS before Sierra and plan not to change. Should I go for a somewhat newer Office. Don't want the subscription thing.

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Minneapolis, MN


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Re: TidBITS: The End of Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 is Nigh

Mike Noonan-2
umm  this search ?  



On Aug 24, 2017, at 6:48 PM, John Ferman <[hidden email]> wrote:

That is my version! I am up to the OS before Sierra and plan not to change. Should I go for a somewhat newer Office. Don't want the subscription thing.

Sent from my iPad
John Ferman
Minneapolis, MN


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Re: TidBITS: The End of Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 is Nigh

Mike Noonan-2
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This 6/13 Tech Republic article recommends Mac Product Key Finder.
On Windows I use Belarc.com 
Hopefully both are 64 bit programs.

Mike 



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