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What's With Evernote???

Alexander Forbes
Yesterday I fired up Evernote (desktop) to a rude surprise. Congratulations, you have chosen to upgrade from Plus to Premium. Click here to cancel your Plus account.

I did no such thing. Referring to their inability to cancel my current App Store billing for the Plus subscription “to your credit card  ending in [- ]” {they apparently do not know what it is), they want me to cancel it so they can start billing my card direct - which I also do not want.

I received a form letter email reply this morning. Useless, devoid of new information or help.

If I stay with them at all, I will NOT upgrade to Premium, which has far more features and storage than I need.

{1} What is going on with Evernote?

(2) Alternatives? OneNote? “Bear?” Export/import Billing or outright purchase?

My vision issues seem to be getting worse. This is a very bad time to be wading through cray fonts on a web page .
Thanks for any help or suggestions,

Alex





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Re: What's With Evernote???

@lbutlr
On 31 Aug 2017, at 07:37, Alexander Forbes <[hidden email]> wrote:
> If I stay with them at all,

Why would you?

> I will NOT upgrade to Premium, which has far more features and storage than I need.
>
> {1} What is going on with Evernote?

They no longer want people like you as their customer. They want people who will pay them directly for Premium and everyone else can sod off. They want your credit card info because Apple doesn't give them enough (any) information about who you are, so they can't do "synergistic" things like sell your bank information you've stored in Evernote to nearly-criminal companies like… oh, Intuit or Bank of America? Evernote revealed their true color when they adopted their new privacy policy and even though they backtracked somewhat on it, it's clearly where they are going. I wouldn't trust them with my grocery list, much less anything off consequence.

Seems pretty clear.

I am having much the same reaction to Sonos, who have broken Apple Music integration and are insisting I agree to an absolutely absurd "privacy" policy in order to restore that functionality, where as far as I can tell the privacy policy can best be summed up as "You have no privacy, we own everything and will do anything we want with all your data, including giving playlists and IPs and room configuration data to anyone we please" and, of course, they reserve the right to change the policy without notice at any point in the future.

When companies behave like that I take it as "We do not want customers anymore" because they certainly don't want *me* as a customer.

(Very happy I did not go through with my planned purchase of a Sonos Play 5 and a Sound Bar last year, annoyed that I have two largely useless Play 1s).

And, BTW, the correct way to read a privacy policy or an EULA is not "It sounded reasonable when they explained it on their blog" but rather "what is the worst possible thing they could do under these terms?" Imagine if Hitler was running the company, how does the policy read?" because at some point, a terrible money-grubbing amoral person *will* be in charge, and you should be aware of just how much of your life they get to claim ownership over.


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Re: What's With Evernote???

Alexander Forbes

On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:32 AM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:

When companies behave like that I take it as "We do not want customers anymore" because they certainly don't want *me* as a customer.

Thanks - That’s the way I saw it too. 

I downloaded OneNote and played with it a bit. Free. Cloud. Checkboxes. I think I could like with that. MS claims it will be around forever. I know we had a thread on this quite some times ago. I have an old copy of Scivener I don’t use for authoring any more Was thinking of trying to see if I can work with that.

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Re: What's With Evernote???

Mark D. McKean
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On 08/31/2017 09:37 am, Alexander Forbes wrote:
> Alternatives? OneNote? “Bear?”

I've been testing Bear, and it's not bad. It is definitely more
user-focused than Evernote, including little things that Evernote has
long ignored. It has proper Markdown support, for one thing, which
Evernote has never had. What I'm having trouble changing mental gears on
is getting used to the concept that the only method of note organization
is tags--Bear doesn't define separate "notebooks" except as a group of
notes with a particular common tag.

Ultimately, it's not a real change in functionality: anything you can do
with Evernote's Notebooks, you can do with Bear's tags. It's just a
conceptual leap I'm struggling with. (But then, I still can't let go of
organizing my files in a hierarchy of folders, either. I'm just not a
big fan of the trend of reducing all metadata to tag soup.)

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Re: What's With Evernote???

Alexander Forbes

On Aug 31, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Mark D. McKean <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've been testing Bear, and it's not bad. It is definitely more
user-focused than Evernote, including little things that Evernote has
long ignored. It has proper Markdown support, for one thing, which
Evernote has never had. What I'm having trouble changing mental gears on
is getting used to the concept that the only method of note organization
is tags--Bear doesn't define separate "notebooks" except as a group of
notes with a particular common tag.

Ultimately, it's not a real change in functionality: anything you can do
with Evernote's Notebooks, you can do with Bear's tags. It's just a
conceptual leap I'm struggling with. (But then, I still can't let go of
organizing my files in a hierarchy of folders, either. I'm just not a
big fan of the trend of reducing all metadata to tag soup.)


Thanks Mark! I may be too old for conceptual GUI leaps, and my vision is nothing to write home about either, but I can still step up over the curb.

However, I'm finding features I really like, lacking in Evernote. I can SEE the checkboxes in the supermarket on my iPhone. It has real fonts, sizes and basic styles (bold, italic, etc} like MS Word. No style sheets that I find yet, nor Notebook folders, but I can live with that.This is just Day One, so the returns aren;t in yet, but it's encouraging.

Alex




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Re: What's With Evernote???

Nigel Stanger-2
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On Fri Sep 01 2017 06:04:36, Alexander Forbes spake thus:
>
> I downloaded OneNote and played with it a bit. Free. Cloud. Checkboxes.

No free-form tagging. OneNote’s “tags” are a fixed list, and apply to selected text rather than entire notes.

Text editing can be a little wonky and non-Macish, e.g., you can’t double-click and drag to select by word.

Neither are annoying enough to overwhelm its freeness :).

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Re: What's With Evernote???

Franconi Enrico
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I used Evernote for long time, then few years ago I moved to OneNote (excellent!), but when last year Apple improved its Notes app (iOS and MacOS) I moved to Notes and I’m happy since.
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Re: What's With Evernote???

Ray Kloss
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:50 AM, Franconi Enrico <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I used Evernote for long time, then few years ago I moved to OneNote (excellent!), but when last year Apple improved its Notes app (iOS and MacOS) I moved to Notes and I’m happy since.
>
>
Is there a current script or process for importing Evernote data to Notes or other apps?


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Re: What's With Evernote???

Franconi Enrico

On 1 Sep 2017, at 16:32, Ray Kloss <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:50 AM, Franconi Enrico <[hidden email]> wrote:

I used Evernote for long time, then few years ago I moved to OneNote (excellent!), but when last year Apple improved its Notes app (iOS and MacOS) I moved to Notes and I’m happy since.

Is there a current script or process for importing Evernote data to Notes or other apps?


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Re: What's With Evernote???

Ray Kloss
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> On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:50 AM, Franconi Enrico <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I used Evernote for long time, then few years ago I moved to OneNote (excellent!), but when last year Apple improved its Notes app (iOS and MacOS) I moved to Notes and I’m happy since.

Does anyone use Devonthink for notes like this? I heard they had an iOS sync app now (which would be critical for me). Does it work well?


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Re: What's With Evernote???

Franconi Enrico
On 1 Sep 2017, at 16:45, Ray Kloss <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> I used Evernote for long time, then few years ago I moved to OneNote (excellent!), but when last year Apple improved its Notes app (iOS and MacOS) I moved to Notes and I’m happy since.
>
> Does anyone use Devonthink for notes like this? I heard they had an iOS sync app now (which would be critical for me). Does it work well?

I paid for both the MacOS and the iOS apps, and tested them, but the whole framework is waaaay too complex (maybe for my simple needs) and sync is not fully automated for attached documents (or at least the process is cumbersome for me).
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Re: What's With Evernote???

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Just a reminder that we did a reader survey on information managers a while ago, and it’s a great place to look for recommendations.


cheers... -Adam



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Re: What's With Evernote???

Alexander Forbes
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On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Franconi Enrico <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:50 AM, Franconi Enrico <[hidden email]> wrote:

I used Evernote for long time, then few years ago I moved to OneNote (excellent!), but when last year Apple improved its Notes app (iOS and MacOS) I moved to Notes and I’m happy since.

My earlier OpenOfficer reports were based on manual copy and pastes and manual markup as needed. If I was only using OneNote to create new content, I'm sure I'd be quite happy with it.

But I didn't forget your comment on Notes. I ran into some showstoppers with OneNote.

There is a separate download for OneNote importer from Evernote. It does not work with Evernote apps downloaded from the App store. They want you tyo DELETE the App Store copy and download from the Evernote site, and reinstall. This sounds like a high risk operation in reconnecting to your data. It may work, but I'm not willing to do that since I'm leaving Evernote anyway.

The alternative is to export all your notebooks and notes from Evernote and then import. Apparently selecting multiple notes at once does not work. I found Import unreliable; sometimes on "Done" there was nothing there.

Apple's Notes is indeed much improved. I discovered it now even supports Notebooks. I may be doing some couu-and-paste (quite a lot) but I don't have to struggle to make that work. What I do stays done.

Thanks for your note!

Alex





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