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Windows 10 64-bit on iMac 21" mid-2011?

Alexander Forbes
According to Apple’s page Mac computers that support Windows 10, my mid-2011 iMac isn’t on the list of Macs that support Windows 10 64-bit under Boot Camp. The model listings only go back to 2012. System Report shows my CPU as Intel Core i5 which, elsewhere, Apple shows as 64-bit.

I’m interested in installing Windows 10 Home under Boot Camp on the cheap, for now at least. As far as using my mid-2011 iMac is concerned, is this a showstopper?

Thanks to anyone who can help -

Alex




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Re: Windows 10 64-bit on iMac 21" mid-2011?

Fritz Mills

On Apr 27, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Alexander Forbes <[hidden email]> wrote:

According to Apple’s page Mac computers that support Windows 10, my mid-2011 iMac isn’t on the list of Macs that support Windows 10 64-bit under Boot Camp. The model listings only go back to 2012. System Report shows my CPU as Intel Core i5 which, elsewhere, Apple shows as 64-bit.

I’m interested in installing Windows 10 Home under Boot Camp on the cheap, for now at least. As far as using my mid-2011 iMac is concerned, is this a showstopper?

Thanks to anyone who can help -


This isn’t really an answer to your question, but I’m running Windows 10 64-bit in Parallels on a late-2011MBP that also isn’t listed, so I would say it can’t hurt to try. If it doesn’t work and you don’t want to pay for Parallels, VirtualBox is free and is likely to be able to run it. 




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Re: Windows 10 64-bit on iMac 21" mid-2011?

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I have been able to run Windows 10 on a 2009 (i7) that isn’t even ‘approved’ for Windows 8.  Boot camp doesn’t work normally, but I was able to pull drivers out of the latest version and get it working. That being said, since Boot camp isn’t running in the Windows 10 app, it is sometimes “interesting" to try to get it to reboot into MacOS.  I have also used VirtualBox for that purpose, and while I found it easy enough to install and run, Windows was sometimes flakey when running.  Particularly video would sometimes freeze or otherwise glitch.  

Nick


On Apr 27, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Fritz Mills <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Apr 27, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Alexander Forbes <[hidden email]> wrote:

According to Apple’s page Mac computers that support Windows 10, my mid-2011 iMac isn’t on the list of Macs that support Windows 10 64-bit under Boot Camp. The model listings only go back to 2012. System Report shows my CPU as Intel Core i5 which, elsewhere, Apple shows as 64-bit.

I’m interested in installing Windows 10 Home under Boot Camp on the cheap, for now at least. As far as using my mid-2011 iMac is concerned, is this a showstopper?

Thanks to anyone who can help -


This isn’t really an answer to your question, but I’m running Windows 10 64-bit in Parallels on a late-2011MBP that also isn’t listed, so I would say it can’t hurt to try. If it doesn’t work and you don’t want to pay for Parallels, VirtualBox is free and is likely to be able to run it. 




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Re: Windows 10 64-bit on iMac 21" mid-2011?

Curtis Wilcox
Yes, Apple support for Windows using Boot Camp is a matter of whether or not Apple wants to create drivers for older hardware and/or support their software running in Windows 10 on that older hardware. It sounds like Nicholas put in some extra work to "cheat" a bit and it's good to know that's possible but probably not a realistic option for most people.

An operating system in a virtual machine is separated from the host hardware, if you're running Windows 10 inside Parallels or Virtualbox, it doesn't matter how old the Mac is, to Windows the virtual machine *is* the machine. VirtualBox is free, it's what I use. I haven't installed Windows 10 as a guest yet but it's on my to-do list and while I have a brand new Mac, I would have no concerns (other than slowness) about it working using on an older machine. The older machine would need to run a version of OS X that's new enough for VirtualBox (currently they support 10.9 Mavericks and newer).


On Apr 27, 2017, at 4:11 PM, Nicholas Miller <[hidden email]> wrote:

I have been able to run Windows 10 on a 2009 (i7) that isn’t even ‘approved’ for Windows 8.  Boot camp doesn’t work normally, but I was able to pull drivers out of the latest version and get it working. That being said, since Boot camp isn’t running in the Windows 10 app, it is sometimes “interesting" to try to get it to reboot into MacOS.  I have also used VirtualBox for that purpose, and while I found it easy enough to install and run, Windows was sometimes flakey when running.  Particularly video would sometimes freeze or otherwise glitch.  

Nick


On Apr 27, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Fritz Mills <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Apr 27, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Alexander Forbes <[hidden email]> wrote:

According to Apple’s page Mac computers that support Windows 10, my mid-2011 iMac isn’t on the list of Macs that support Windows 10 64-bit under Boot Camp. The model listings only go back to 2012. System Report shows my CPU as Intel Core i5 which, elsewhere, Apple shows as 64-bit.

I’m interested in installing Windows 10 Home under Boot Camp on the cheap, for now at least. As far as using my mid-2011 iMac is concerned, is this a showstopper?

Thanks to anyone who can help -


This isn’t really an answer to your question, but I’m running Windows 10 64-bit in Parallels on a late-2011MBP that also isn’t listed, so I would say it can’t hurt to try. If it doesn’t work and you don’t want to pay for Parallels, VirtualBox is free and is likely to be able to run it. 




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Re: Windows 10 64-bit on iMac 21" mid-2011?

Alexander Forbes

On Apr 27, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:

Yes, Apple support for Windows using Boot Camp is a matter of whether or not Apple wants to create drivers for older hardware and/or support their software running in Windows 10 on that older hardware. It sounds like Nicholas put in some extra work to "cheat" a bit and it's good to know that's possible but probably not a realistic option for most people.

An operating system in a virtual machine is separated from the host hardware, if you're running Windows 10 inside Parallels or Virtualbox, it doesn't matter how old the Mac is, to Windows the virtual machine *is* the machine. VirtualBox is free, it's what I use. I haven't installed Windows 10 as a guest yet but it's on my to-do list and while I have a brand new Mac, I would have no concerns (other than slowness) about it working using on an older machine. The older machine would need to run a version of OS X that's new enough for VirtualBox (currently they support 10.9 Mavericks and newer).

Thanks Curtis, Nicholas and Fritz!

The directions are somewhat iffy between Apple and Microsoft, but they keep mentioning Windows 8; not sure Windows 10 was available when Apple wrote the 2014 help page. I downloaded Win10_1607_N_English_x64.iso and BootCamp5.1.5621.zip to a USB3 drive I reformatted to DOS (fat) with boot support.

There was a warning on USB3 fish drives; don’t know if that applies to USB3 portables too.

I’m beginning to feel a bit “hinkey” about doing this with Boot Camp.

I earlier looked at Oracle’s Virtualbox. It’s free, Oracle apparently keeps adding feature support, enhancements and bug fixes, and I think I’ll download it and give it a try.

The final step is paying for and/or downloading Windows 10 Home or 'Windows 10 N’ (I don’t care about MS multimedia) - and that step’s irreversible. 

I’m not ready to buy a newer iMac just yet, and hoping the 27” 2017 we’re all waiting on in September or so will be worth the wait. Also looking at a late 2015 model 27” iMac on B&H with 16GB RAM, 1tB Fusion Drive, Retina and whatnot. However, by the time I’m ready to buy, it would be 2 model years old.

Regards,

Alex




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Re: Windows 10 64-bit on iMac 21" mid-2011?

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> According to Apple’s page Mac computers that support Windows 10, my mid-2011 iMac isn’t on the list of Macs that support Windows 10 64-bit under Boot Camp. The model listings only go back to 2012. System Report shows my CPU as Intel Core i5 which, elsewhere, Apple shows as 64-bit.
>
> I’m interested in installing Windows 10 Home under Boot Camp on the cheap, for now at least. As far as using my mid-2011 iMac is concerned, is this a showstopper?

Yes, Boot Camp will not install Windows 10 on that machine. You can run Windows 10 on that machine via Parallels or Fusion (or Virtualbox, but that has been very fiddly in my experience).

You *can* get Windows 10 on Boot Camp on that machine, but you have to install Windows 7 and then let it update itself to Windows 10.

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Re: Windows 10 64-bit on iMac 21" mid-2011?

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On 2017-04-28 (08:36 MDT), "@lbutlr" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> You *can* get Windows 10 on Boot Camp on that machine, but you have to install Windows 7 and then let it update itself to Windows 10.

Or Windows 8 or Windows 8.1, of course. I never think of these since I never ran them.

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Re: Windows 10 64-bit on iMac 21" mid-2011?

Alexander Forbes
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On Apr 28, 2017, at 7:36 AM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:

Yes, Boot Camp will not install Windows 10 on that machine. You can run Windows 10 on that machine via Parallels or Fusion (or Virtualbox, but that has been very fiddly in my experience).

You *can* get Windows 10 on Boot Camp on that machine, but you have to install Windows 7 and then let it update itself to Windows 10.

Well, thanks lbutlr … appears I can now confirm Boot Camp did not install Win 10. No partitioning, no “select .iso image.

And yes also, Virtualbox was very fiddly. Once you create the VB partition, “click folder icon to find disc image.” I’ll be danged if I can find any folder icon for this purpose.  

IIRC from previous threads, Parallels is now on a subscription rent-by-year model for $100/yr. I might check out Fusion. But first I’ll keep fiddling with VB. So far it seems you can’t do a new install of your full Win10 until Win is up and running. :-(

Alex
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Re: Windows 10 64-bit on iMac 21" mid-2011?

Ron Risley

> On Apr 28, 2017, at 07:57, Alexander Forbes <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I’ll keep fiddling with VB. So far it seems you can’t do a new install of your full Win10 until Win is up and running.

You can download Windows 10 .iso directly from Microsoft, at no charge.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO

You can choose the version (home/pro) that you want; just be aware that when you purchase a license it will have to match the .iso you have downloaded. The download will give you a chance to make sure that it will do what you want before you throw down for a license. (Currently, the unlicensed downloads seem to have only a few limitations on customization and no obvious time limit.)

In VirtualBox, create a virtual machine then click on the Settings gear at the top of the manager window.

Click on the Storage icon at the top of the Settings window.

There will be a list pane on the left. There will be an entry that looks like "Controller: IDE" with little icons to the right of it. Click on the one that would look like an optical disc with a green "+" overlayed, had they only used more than 8 pixels to create the icon. On the slip that appears, click "Choose disk" and select your .iso file.

Hope this helps.

--Ron


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RE: Windows 10 64-bit on iMac 21" mid-2011?

Vince Winterling
A workaround that appears to have considerable generality would be to find a Windows 7 or 8.1 iso or disk, install it and then Microsoft will upgrade it to 10 for free. They are obsessed with the 1 billion served thing...

Vincent Winterling
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> You can download Windows 10 .iso directly from Microsoft, at no charge.
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Re: Windows 10 64-bit on iMac 21" mid-2011?

Alexander Forbes
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On Apr 28, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Ron Risley <[hidden email]> wrote:

In VirtualBox, create a virtual machine then click on the Settings gear at the top of the manager window. 

Click on the Storage icon at the top of the Settings window.

There will be a list pane on the left. There will be an entry that looks like "Controller: IDE" with little icons to the right of it. Click on the one that would look like an optical disc with a green "+" overlayed, had they only used more than 8 pixels to create the icon. On the slip that appears, click "Choose disk" and select your .iso file.

Hope this helps.

—Ron

Thanks, it was very helpful, though problem still not solved ...

VB creates the virtual machine in Users/me/VirtualBox VMs/VB_Win10 9the name I chose for my installation. I’ve deleted and redone this about 5 times. There does not seem to be a choice where it is installed. Ideally I’d like to use my Windows-formatted boot portable USB.

No problems getting VB_Win10 “running,” until I click “Start.” That gets us “FATAL: No bootable medium Found! System halted.”

Now finding the .iso under the Controller: SATA Storage tree list, we get the same error again and again. I reason you can’t load a Win .iso installer within a Mac partition, but I can’t figure out how to get VB to “see” the USB3 portable I formatted for FAT32 boot under Disk Utility. I did download and install the VB Enhancements that are supposed to add USB3 support.

On the two icons to the right - the one that looks like an optical disk, or the one that looks like a hard disk, all the options to add optical drive or hard disk are grayed out. Should I burn the iso to a DVD?

My mid-2011 21” core i5 iMac is already on the edge of the “supported” list, if not actually off the edge. That 2015 B&H 27” is starting to sound more and more like a “go.” Not sure how much longer I want to spend half my time trying workarounds. And my SoftRAID app keeps giving me warnings the iMac factory Hard Drive is going out soon, though Disk Utility finds no problem …

Alex




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Re: Windows 10 64-bit on iMac 21" mid-2011?

Alexander Forbes



On Apr 28, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Ron Risley <[hidden email]> wrote:

In VirtualBox, create a virtual machine then click on the Settings gear at the top of the manager window. 

Click on the Storage icon at the top of the Settings window.

There will be a list pane on the left. There will be an entry that looks like "Controller: IDE" with little icons to the right of it. Click on the one that would look like an optical disc with a green "+" overlayed, had they only used more than 8 pixels to create the icon. On the slip that appears, click "Choose disk" and select your .iso file.

Hope this helps.

—Ron

Thanks, it was very helpful, though problem still not solved ...

VB creates the virtual machine in Users/me/VirtualBox VMs/VB_Win10 9the name I chose for my installation. I’ve deleted and redone this about 5 times. There does not seem to be a choice where it is installed. Ideally I’d like to use my Windows-formatted boot portable USB.

Should I burn the iso to a DVD?

My mid-2011 21” core i5 iMac is already on the edge of the “supported” list, if not actually off the edge. That 2015 B&H 27” is starting to sound more and more like a “go.” Not sure how much longer I want to spend half my time trying workarounds. And my SoftRAID app keeps giving me warnings the iMac factory Hard Drive is going out soon, though Disk Utility finds no problem …

Alex

UPDATE: 

Thanks again. I ordered the 27” 2015 iMac for a variety of reasons, not just for this task.

But I kept “practicing.” :-) I burned the .iso image to a DVD where it was unpacked in the burn process into Win files including autorun.inf. I finally got the bootable portable drive into Storage and running. And I DID see the green cross this time! I let installation get as far as the Win10 installation screen. Now that I’m getting used to VirtualBox, I rather like it.

I’ll do the full actual install on the 27" when it arrives next week. Yay!

Regards,

Alex




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Re: Windows 10 64-bit on iMac 21" mid-2011?

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On Apr 28, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Alexander Forbes <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well, thanks lbutlr … appears I can now confirm Boot Camp did not install Win 10. No partitioning, no “select .iso image.

And yes also, Virtualbox was very fiddly. Once you create the VB partition, “click folder icon to find disc image.” I’ll be danged if I can find any folder icon for this purpose.  

When you create a new virtual machine in VirtualBox, you tell it what OS you're going to run as a guest (in this case, Windows 10 64 bit) so it will automatically choose some sensible defaults. Next choose how much RAM to allocate and the create a virtual disk volume of the size you want (32GB was the default for Windows 10 when I did it, unless is was for short-term use I'd bump that up to 50GB). That's it, you're ready to start the virtual machine for the first time. 

When you start the virtual machine the first time, it asks for a virtual optical disk (i.e. an .iso) or a physical optical drive with a disc (you can boot VMs from other things but I don't know if this "helper" can work with things like bootable flash drives). I have a VBoxGuestAdditions.iso selected by default, not what I want, so I click the folder icon next to that dropdown menu to get a standard Mac open dialog to find and select the Windows installer .iso. I don't know what instructions you were reading but think this is the folder icon you were looking for. Click the start button and the virtual machine should boot from the .iso.





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Re: Windows 10 64-bit on iMac 21" mid-2011?

Alexander Forbes

On Apr 28, 2017, at 3:10 PM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:

When you start the virtual machine the first time, it asks for a virtual optical disk (i.e. an .iso) or a physical optical drive with a disc (you can boot VMs from other things but I don't know if this "helper" can work with things like bootable flash drives). I have a VBoxGuestAdditions.iso selected by default, not what I want, so I click the folder icon next to that dropdown menu to get a standard Mac open dialog to find and select the Windows installer .iso. I don't know what instructions you were reading but think this is the folder icon you were looking for. Click the start button and the virtual machine should boot from the .iso.

Thanks Curtis - you are probably by now finding my UPDATE that I finally succeeded, got the Windows logo screen, and canceled out because I’m now waiting on a newer 27” iMac to use up that Win 10 serial number, among other things. That was good practice, though

For whatever reason, I never got it to recognize my .iso from locations I had tried before. I finally burned it to DVD where things started going to plan.

I’m not sure, but I think the bootable flash drive scheme is only for Boot Camp. At no point was mine seen by VirtualBox AFAIK.

I flagged your email post as well, for help if I get stuck on the 27” iMac install. I hope not, and don’t think I’ll need it now; Lord Knows I’ve had enough practice.

Thanks again everybody for your support.

Alex




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