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Tori Hernandez
Hello: I need to edit the logos in a website someone else initially designed with a dwt (I believe it stands for dreamweaver template)

When I looked at the html and tried editing there, I could not edit. It was locked or uneditable. A pop up stated: tertiary.dwt (file attached). The file doesn’t exist either in the local or remote files.

I opened the files using an old copy I had of dreamweaver 4 to edit the files. It’s been many years since I have tried to edit a website via Dreamweaver. 

Can anyone point me in the right direction to edit this template. 

Thank you.


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Re: editing a noneditable dwt file

Doug Hogg
What happens if you open the web page with the logo using your browser and right (control) click on the logo. 

Can you open the logo in a separate window and then save it?

:-)

Doug Hogg

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On Feb 28, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello: I need to edit the logos in a website someone else initially designed with a dwt (I believe it stands for dreamweaver template)

When I looked at the html and tried editing there, I could not edit. It was locked or uneditable. A pop up stated: tertiary.dwt (file attached). The file doesn’t exist either in the local or remote files.

I opened the files using an old copy I had of dreamweaver 4 to edit the files. It’s been many years since I have tried to edit a website via Dreamweaver. 

Can anyone point me in the right direction to edit this template. 

Thank you.


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Re: editing a noneditable dwt file

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On Feb 28, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Can anyone point me in the right direction to edit this template. 

In Dreamweaver, templates (.dwt files) for a site should be in a top level folder named “Templates” (which you don’t want to upload to the web server). Just double-click on the template file in Dreamweaver to open it and edit as necessary. When you save, the changes you made to the template will be applied to all files that use it. Upload those changed files to the server.

When you directly edit an HTML page in Dreamweaver that was built from a template, nothing is editable except sections followed by an HTML comment containing [TemplateBeginEditable name=“whatever”] (without the square brackets).

If you directly edit a “.dwt” file without using Dreamweaver to do so, you’re wasting your time because the changes won’t show up in the pages based on the template. If you edit pages built from Dreamweaver templates, and you don’t use Dreamweaver to do it, you’re asking for trouble.



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Re: editing a noneditable dwt file

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On 28 feb. 2018, at 7:59 p.m., Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello: I need to edit the logos in a website someone else initially designed with a dwt (I believe it stands for dreamweaver template)

When I looked at the html and tried editing there, I could not edit. It was locked or uneditable. A pop up stated: tertiary.dwt (file attached). The file doesn’t exist either in the local or remote files.

I opened the files using an old copy I had of dreamweaver 4 to edit the files. It’s been many years since I have tried to edit a website via Dreamweaver. 


Follow the link below…


…it clearly explains what you need to do to make the file editable again (in the proper way).

JC




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Re: editing a noneditable dwt file

Tori Hernandez
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The problem I have is that I wasn’t the original designer and therefore, I do NOT have the .dwt file. From your statement, it appears that I am NOT going to be able to replace the existing logo with another logo.

The company changed names.

I am wondering if I delete the existing logo jpg and add the new logo, (in the images folder) will that work?


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On Mar 1, 2018, at 1:08 AM, Rodney <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Feb 28, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Can anyone point me in the right direction to edit this template. 

In Dreamweaver, templates (.dwt files) for a site should be in a top level folder named “Templates” (which you don’t want to upload to the web server). Just double-click on the template file in Dreamweaver to open it and edit as necessary. When you save, the changes you made to the template will be applied to all files that use it. Upload those changed files to the server.

When you directly edit an HTML page in Dreamweaver that was built from a template, nothing is editable except sections followed by an HTML comment containing [TemplateBeginEditable name=“whatever”] (without the square brackets).

If you directly edit a “.dwt” file without using Dreamweaver to do so, you’re wasting your time because the changes won’t show up in the pages based on the template. If you edit pages built from Dreamweaver templates, and you don’t use Dreamweaver to do it, you’re asking for trouble.


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Re: editing a noneditable dwt file

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On Mar 1, 2018, at 20:04, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

The problem I have is that I wasn’t the original designer and therefore, I do NOT have the .dwt file. From your statement, it appears that I am NOT going to be able to replace the existing logo with another logo.

In the version of Dreamweaver I have, which is CS6, you can choose Modify -> Templates -> Detach from template. This will break the connection and (I think) you can then edit everything.

I am wondering if I delete the existing logo jpg and add the new logo, (in the images folder) will that work?

Heck, if all you want to do is replace a jpg, then just create a new jpg of the same name (and dimensions) and upload it to the server. No page editing is required.




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Re: editing a noneditable dwt file

Tori Hernandez
Wow! That’s nice but I have DW4. I’ll see if I can that version. Thanks so much. 

Tori
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On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:16 AM, Rodney <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Mar 1, 2018, at 20:04, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

The problem I have is that I wasn’t the original designer and therefore, I do NOT have the .dwt file. From your statement, it appears that I am NOT going to be able to replace the existing logo with another logo.

In the version of Dreamweaver I have, which is CS6, you can choose Modify -> Templates -> Detach from template. This will break the connection and (I think) you can then edit everything.

I am wondering if I delete the existing logo jpg and add the new logo, (in the images folder) will that work?

Heck, if all you want to do is replace a jpg, then just create a new jpg of the same name (and dimensions) and upload it to the server. No page editing is required.



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Re: editing a noneditable dwt file

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On Mar 1, 2018, at 21:52, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Wow! That’s nice but I have DW4. I’ll see if I can that version. Thanks so much. 

Like I said, if the logo is a jpeg, just replace it with a new jpeg of the same name and dimensions. There’s no reason to be messing with the HTML file at all.

I should also mention that since you don’t seem to know much about what you’re trying to do, you run the risk of trashing your friend’s web site.



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Re: editing a noneditable dwt file

Javier Castagnetto
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This is the same advice you would’ve found in the link I provided (and there is some more in there)…but it is of no use to you, because you stated you don’t have the DW template file with you…I don’t know, maybe it works with the web site’s HTML file you can download.

JC


On 1 mar. 2018, at 3:52 p.m., Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Wow! That’s nice but I have DW4. I’ll see if I can that version. Thanks so much. 

Tori
415 272-1944

On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:16 AM, Rodney <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Mar 1, 2018, at 20:04, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

The problem I have is that I wasn’t the original designer and therefore, I do NOT have the .dwt file. From your statement, it appears that I am NOT going to be able to replace the existing logo with another logo.

In the version of Dreamweaver I have, which is CS6, you can choose Modify -> Templates -> Detach from template. This will break the connection and (I think) you can then edit everything.

I am wondering if I delete the existing logo jpg and add the new logo, (in the images folder) will that work?

Heck, if all you want to do is replace a jpg, then just create a new jpg of the same name (and dimensions) and upload it to the server. No page editing is required.




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Re: editing a noneditable dwt file

Rodney

On Mar 2, 2018, at 00:20, Javier Castagnetto <[hidden email]> wrote:

This is the same advice you would’ve found in the link I provided (and there is some more in there)…but it is of no use to you, because you stated you don’t have the DW template file with you…I don’t know, maybe it works with the web site’s HTML file you can download.

If the object of the exercise is to replace a logo, and if the logo is just a JPEG, then no page editing is required. All that’s required is to upload a new logo with the same name as the old one.

I don’t think that a real .dwt file is required in order to get Dreamweaver to disconnect a web page its template file, but I haven’t tried it. Failing that, open the file in a regular text editor, and at the very top there’ll be an HTML comment such as (assuming the TidBITS mail server doesn’t remove it):

<!-- InstanceBegin template="../Templates/[whatever]" -->

Remove that comment, and the file stops being part of a template. Yes, there’ll be HTML comments in the file that define the parts of the template, but I suspect that they’ll be ignored if the file isn’t linked to a template file.

This is a bad idea. If the OP does this for one file, it will be necessary to do it for every file in the site, and to manually edit each one separately every time something changes that used to be in the template. This is a great way to trash a web site.

For someone who knows what they’re doing, it shouldn’t be all that difficult to recreate the .dwt file, given an HTML page that uses it.



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Re: editing a noneditable dwt file

Tori Hernandez
Thank You. Appreciated your time. 

Tori
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On Mar 1, 2018, at 4:36 PM, Rodney <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Mar 2, 2018, at 00:20, Javier Castagnetto <[hidden email]> wrote:

This is the same advice you would’ve found in the link I provided (and there is some more in there)…but it is of no use to you, because you stated you don’t have the DW template file with you…I don’t know, maybe it works with the web site’s HTML file you can download.

If the object of the exercise is to replace a logo, and if the logo is just a JPEG, then no page editing is required. All that’s required is to upload a new logo with the same name as the old one.

I don’t think that a real .dwt file is required in order to get Dreamweaver to disconnect a web page its template file, but I haven’t tried it. Failing that, open the file in a regular text editor, and at the very top there’ll be an HTML comment such as (assuming the TidBITS mail server doesn’t remove it):

<!-- InstanceBegin template="../Templates/[whatever]" -->

Remove that comment, and the file stops being part of a template. Yes, there’ll be HTML comments in the file that define the parts of the template, but I suspect that they’ll be ignored if the file isn’t linked to a template file.

This is a bad idea. If the OP does this for one file, it will be necessary to do it for every file in the site, and to manually edit each one separately every time something changes that used to be in the template. This is a great way to trash a web site.

For someone who knows what they’re doing, it shouldn’t be all that difficult to recreate the .dwt file, given an HTML page that uses it.


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Re: editing a noneditable dwt file

Tori Hernandez
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Rodney: As I had noted in previous emails, I thought that if I just replaced the logo, would I succeed. You agreed. Tonight, I was able to do just that. Thanks.

I am using DW4 because I used it many years ago and knew it well along with CSS THEN. As far as your suggestion, “disconnecting a web page to its template file… or buying DW CS6 per your thinking, I will do that if other edits are necessary in the template.



On Mar 1, 2018, at 4:36 PM, Rodney <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Mar 2, 2018, at 00:20, Javier Castagnetto <[hidden email]> wrote:

This is the same advice you would’ve found in the link I provided (and there is some more in there)…but it is of no use to you, because you stated you don’t have the DW template file with you…I don’t know, maybe it works with the web site’s HTML file you can download.

If the object of the exercise is to replace a logo, and if the logo is just a JPEG, then no page editing is required. All that’s required is to upload a new logo with the same name as the old one.

I don’t think that a real .dwt file is required in order to get Dreamweaver to disconnect a web page its template file, but I haven’t tried it. Failing that, open the file in a regular text editor, and at the very top there’ll be an HTML comment such as (assuming the TidBITS mail server doesn’t remove it):

<!-- InstanceBegin template="../Templates/[whatever]" -->

Remove that comment, and the file stops being part of a template. Yes, there’ll be HTML comments in the file that define the parts of the template, but I suspect that they’ll be ignored if the file isn’t linked to a template file.

This is a bad idea. If the OP does this for one file, it will be necessary to do it for every file in the site, and to manually edit each one separately every time something changes that used to be in the template. This is a great way to trash a web site.

For someone who knows what they’re doing, it shouldn’t be all that difficult to recreate the .dwt file, given an HTML page that uses it.


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Re: editing a noneditable dwt file

Rodney

On Mar 2, 2018, at 04:37, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Rodney: As I had noted in previous emails, I thought that if I just replaced the logo, would I succeed. You agreed.

Yes. However, the fact that you would ask the question suggested to me, rightly or wrongly, that you didn’t know this stuff very well. That’s not meant as a criticism. Maybe you had forgotten it. That part wasn’t important to me. I was just concerned that you’d trash your friend’s site. It is a lot easier to recover from a professional screw-up (I’ve had that problem myself on occasion) than when friendship is involved. It is one hell of a lot less painful to disappoint a boss than to disappoint a friend. Back up everything early and often.

I am using DW4 because I used it many years ago and knew it well along with CSS THEN. As far as your suggestion, “disconnecting a web page to its template file… or buying DW CS6 per your thinking, I will do that if other edits are necessary in the template.

Disconnecting a web page from its template file is the last thing I’d suggest doing. I told you that you CAN do it, and told you a couple of ways to do it. I don’t recommend doing it except under duress.

The whole purpose of a template is to be able to easily create multiple pages with the same “look and feel”; the same navigation elements, etc. If you disconnect pages from the template, then you’ll have to edit each individual page every time you change some common site element.

The problem with Dreamweaver templates is that they’re proprietary AFAIK. Any other HTML editor is just going to see HTML comments which it will ignore. There are other ways to accomplish the same thing in a more standard way, server side includes for example. You can also move the site to a content management system such as Wordpress, Squarespace, Drupal, whatever. but how easy this is depends on the complexity of the site and the services offered by the hosting company (and available money, time, and expertise).

I wasn’t thinking about you buying anything, and wouldn’t suggest such a thing without knowing more about the site and what you plan to do with it. For all I know, DW4 will work for you. If you do want advice, email me directly with a bit more information and I’ll try to answer your questions. I will confess, however, that although this stuff was once part of my job description, I’ve been retired for quite a few years…:-(

FYI, CS6 was the last version of Dreamweaver, or any of the rest of Adobe’s Creative Suite, that you could buy outright. Best I can tell, Adobe has gone to the subscription model for everything. If you only need it for a couple of months, then the current Dreamweaver wouldn’t be all that expensive.






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Re: editing a noneditable dwt file

Tori Hernandez
I was just asking for validation because I hadn’t worked on this stuff for many years. Again I do thank you for the advice you gave me. That’s what this forum is for - to assist, to give advice, opinions, validations and to inform. 
Some may not ask because they may feel they are being judged harshly. 

Tori
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On Mar 2, 2018, at 1:15 AM, Rodney <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Mar 2, 2018, at 04:37, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Rodney: As I had noted in previous emails, I thought that if I just replaced the logo, would I succeed. You agreed.

Yes. However, the fact that you would ask the question suggested to me, rightly or wrongly, that you didn’t know this stuff very well. That’s not meant as a criticism. Maybe you had forgotten it. That part wasn’t important to me. I was just concerned that you’d trash your friend’s site. It is a lot easier to recover from a professional screw-up (I’ve had that problem myself on occasion) than when friendship is involved. It is one hell of a lot less painful to disappoint a boss than to disappoint a friend. Back up everything early and often.

I am using DW4 because I used it many years ago and knew it well along with CSS THEN. As far as your suggestion, “disconnecting a web page to its template file… or buying DW CS6 per your thinking, I will do that if other edits are necessary in the template.

Disconnecting a web page from its template file is the last thing I’d suggest doing. I told you that you CAN do it, and told you a couple of ways to do it. I don’t recommend doing it except under duress.

The whole purpose of a template is to be able to easily create multiple pages with the same “look and feel”; the same navigation elements, etc. If you disconnect pages from the template, then you’ll have to edit each individual page every time you change some common site element.

The problem with Dreamweaver templates is that they’re proprietary AFAIK. Any other HTML editor is just going to see HTML comments which it will ignore. There are other ways to accomplish the same thing in a more standard way, server side includes for example. You can also move the site to a content management system such as Wordpress, Squarespace, Drupal, whatever. but how easy this is depends on the complexity of the site and the services offered by the hosting company (and available money, time, and expertise).

I wasn’t thinking about you buying anything, and wouldn’t suggest such a thing without knowing more about the site and what you plan to do with it. For all I know, DW4 will work for you. If you do want advice, email me directly with a bit more information and I’ll try to answer your questions. I will confess, however, that although this stuff was once part of my job description, I’ve been retired for quite a few years…:-(

FYI, CS6 was the last version of Dreamweaver, or any of the rest of Adobe’s Creative Suite, that you could buy outright. Best I can tell, Adobe has gone to the subscription model for everything. If you only need it for a couple of months, then the current Dreamweaver wouldn’t be all that expensive.





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