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iOS9, El Cap and iCloud Drive

Alex Forbes-2
iOS9 strongly urges I activate iCloud Drive so all my devices can share Notes made on any one of them. With iOS9 already on iPhone and iPad, I can still share new Notes made on either device, or on Mac Pro still under Yosemite. I have never activated iCloud Drive.

Q: Is there still a data downside? Is it still true that iCloud Drive will attempt to upload all my thousands of images in Photos and/or iPhoto or stashed on my hard drive?

I can guess the topic du jour for the next few days. Waiting for El Capitan to show up soon in desktop and laptop App Stores.

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Alex


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Re: iOS9, El Cap and iCloud Drive

Josh Centers
A few things are being conflated here, so I’ll try to clear them up.

1. iCloud Drive has nothing to do with Notes. It's the replacement for the old iCloud Documents & Data feature, first introduced with iOS 8 and OS X 10.10 Yosemite. We warned folks to not upgrade to iCloud Drive when iOS 8 debuted, because it was incompatible with iCloud Documents & Data, and iCloud Drive for the Mac was then a month away. If you’re running iOS 8 and Yosemite or later on all devices, then it should be safe to upgrade to iCloud Drive (and I would highly recommend it).

2. iCloud Drive will not upload anything that you don’t explicitly store there. You’re thinking of iCloud Photo Library, which is a separate feature.

3. Here’s the deal with Notes: the new format in iOS 9 is not compatible with the prior format found in iOS 8 and Yosemite. So if you sync Notes between iOS and Mac, I would recommend *not* upgrading Notes when it asks you. Instead, wait for the El Cap update. However, you can try out the new Notes features in iOS by creating a local note that’s only stored on your device (and those new features are neat!).

> On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Alex Forbes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> iOS9 strongly urges I activate iCloud Drive so all my devices can share Notes made on any one of them. With iOS9 already on iPhone and iPad, I can still share new Notes made on either device, or on Mac Pro still under Yosemite. I have never activated iCloud Drive.
>
> Q: Is there still a data downside? Is it still true that iCloud Drive will attempt to upload all my thousands of images in Photos and/or iPhoto or stashed on my hard drive?
>
> I can guess the topic du jour for the next few days. Waiting for El Capitan to show up soon in desktop and laptop App Stores.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alex

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Re: iOS9, El Cap and iCloud Drive

Alex Forbes-2
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On Sep 16, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Josh Centers <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
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> A few things are being conflated here, so I’ll try to clear them up.
>
> 1. iCloud Drive has nothing to do with Notes. It's the replacement for the old iCloud Documents & Data feature, first introduced with iOS 8 and OS X 10.10 Yosemite. We warned folks to not upgrade to iCloud Drive when iOS 8 debuted, because it was incompatible with iCloud Documents & Data, and iCloud Drive for the Mac was then a month away. If you’re running iOS 8 and Yosemite or later on all devices, then it should be safe to upgrade to iCloud Drive (and I would highly recommend it).
>
> 2. iCloud Drive will not upload anything that you don’t explicitly store there. You’re thinking of iCloud Photo Library, which is a separate feature.
>
> 3. Here’s the deal with Notes: the new format in iOS 9 is not compatible with the prior format found in iOS 8 and Yosemite. So if you sync Notes between iOS and Mac, I would recommend *not* upgrading Notes when it asks you. Instead, wait for the El Cap update. However, you can try out the new Notes features in iOS by creating a local note that’s only stored on your device (and those new features are neat!).

Thanks Josh! I’ll upgrade to iCloud Drive now, and hope El Capitan is available soon; I already upgraded Notes on my iPad2. It seems my notes still share in both directions between mobile devices and Mac Pro. I like the new Local Notes feature even though I usually share them with my other devices. ~ Alex



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Re: iOS9, El Cap and iCloud Drive

Tom Robinson
Available 30th September :]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_El_Capitan


> On 2015-09-17, at 08:22, Alex Forbes <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Thanks Josh! I’ll upgrade to iCloud Drive now, and hope El Capitan is available soon




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Re: iOS9, El Cap and iCloud Drive

John Burt
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>With iOS9 already on iPhone and iPad, I can still share new Notes made on
either device, or on Mac Pro still under Yosemite. I have never activated
iCloud Drive.

There's an app called Jottings that does notes with Dropbox. I've been
using it for a couple of years since Notes would not do what I wanted. It
stores each note as a separate text file in folder in Dropbox. On a Mac,
the files can be edited, and new notes can be added, with any text editor.

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Re: iOS9, El Cap and iCloud Drive

John Robinson-3
I use Notability which saves as text or PDF to my GoogleDrive folder.

Sent from JRs iPad Air

On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:54 AM, SciFiOneA . <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> With iOS9 already on iPhone and iPad, I can still share new Notes made on
> either device, or on Mac Pro still under Yosemite. I have never activated
> iCloud Drive.
>
> There's an app called Jottings that does notes with Dropbox. I've been
> using it for a couple of years since Notes would not do what I wanted. It
> stores each note as a separate text file in folder in Dropbox. On a Mac,
> the files can be edited, and new notes can be added, with any text editor.
>
> --
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Re: iOS9, El Cap and iCloud Drive

Josh Centers
If you prefer to stick with Notes, the Web app works fine in Yosemite if you upgraded iOS 9’s Notes.

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:10 PM, John Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I use Notability which saves as text or PDF to my GoogleDrive folder.

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Re: iOS9, El Cap and iCloud Drive

John Robinson-3
I still like the 15gb FREE from Google. The idea of monthly payments to Adobe, Apple, Comcast, Amazon, etc., etc. feels like a creepy leaking boat, slowly sinking.

Sent from JRs iPad Air

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:12 PM, Josh Centers <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> If you prefer to stick with Notes, the Web app works fine in Yosemite if you upgraded iOS 9’s Notes.
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>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:10 PM, John Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> I use Notability which saves as text or PDF to my GoogleDrive folder.
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Re: iOS9, El Cap and iCloud Drive

Josh Centers
Nothing is ever free. There’s always a cost, even if it’s not a monetary one.

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 1:09 PM, John Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I still like the 15gb FREE from Google. The idea of monthly payments to Adobe, Apple, Comcast, Amazon, etc., etc. feels like a creepy leaking boat, slowly sinking.

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Re: iOS9, El Cap and iCloud Drive

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On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:14, Josh Centers <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Nothing is ever free. There’s always a cost, even if it’s not a monetary one.

$12/year for 50GB is an excellent deal, honestly. You can out a lot of files in 50GB.

Sadly, my photo by themselves are 48GB, so I have to go for the $36/year for 200GB.

I have 1TB free from google because I bought a chrome book for my youngest to use at school and another "free" 1TB because I had to buy Office 365 for my wife and we EACH get 1TB, but I am using almost none of that space. She has all her documents from 10 years of teaching and it is taking up about 45GB, with many duplicates.




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Re: iOS9, El Cap and iCloud Drive

Josh Centers
Apple’s new pricing is incredibly fair, and since it has more tiers, arguably better than Dropbox’s.

My beef is that the sharing and collaboration functions are inadequate or non-existant. I have all this free space in iCloud Drive that I have little use for, while I’m cramping my Dropbox with iOS 9 manuscripts!

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 4:13 PM, LuKreme <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> $12/year for 50GB is an excellent deal, honestly. You can out a lot of files in 50GB.
>
> Sadly, my photo by themselves are 48GB, so I have to go for the $36/year for 200GB.

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Re: iOS9, El Cap and iCloud Drive

Marilyn Matty
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My dad always said that "you don't get something for nothing." Google is in the advertising sales/big data business. The more information they can compile, the better they can target ads.

Marilyn

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 2:09 PM, John Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I still like the 15gb FREE from Google. The idea of monthly payments to Adobe, Apple, Comcast, Amazon, etc., etc. feels like a creepy leaking boat, slowly sinking.
>
> Sent from JRs iPad Air
>
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:12 PM, Josh Centers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> If you prefer to stick with Notes, the Web app works fine in Yosemite if you upgraded iOS 9’s Notes.
>>
>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:10 PM, John Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I use Notability which saves as text or PDF to my GoogleDrive folder.
>>
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Re: iOS9, El Cap and iCloud Drive

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On Sep 17, 2015, at 3:17 PM, Josh Centers <[hidden email]> wrote:
> My beef is that the sharing and collaboration functions are inadequate or non-existant.

Yes. At the very least you should be able to share files easily within a family, but everything n iCloud is siloed.

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Re: iOS9, El Cap and iCloud Drive

Franconi Enrico
On 18 Sep 2015, at 11:02, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> My beef is that the sharing and collaboration functions are inadequate or non-existant.
>
> Yes. At the very least you should be able to share files easily within a family, but everything in iCloud is siloed.

This is one of my problems with iCloud: I can not really share in a transparent way stuff with my colleagues.

But my main issue is its reliability. I really have many documents (~ 18GB: PDF papers, LaTeX/Word files, spreadsheets, manuals, books, notes, receipts, whiteboard pictures, etc) which I need to sync with my iPad, my iPhone, and my 2 Macs (home and office); I try to mainly work with my iPad. I tried hard to use iCloud in the last years, since its deep integration with the Mac and the iPad is perfect. However, a few times a year one of the devices stops syncing for some unknown reason, without me realising immediately, and creating all sorts of inconsistencies among documents, and ending up in a nightmare lasting a week to bring everything in order again.

Moreover, sometimes some bunch of documents take days to sync, and I never have an explanation for this.

I moved one year ago everything into Dropbox, and didn’t have any issue since then. Never lost a sync, and syncs are immediate. With a paying account I get versioning. I’m very happy. Of course, I still have my regular automatic Time Machine backup of everything. When I travel, I backup using ARQ in the Dropbox cloud (ARQ is Time Machine on a cloud of your choice). I’m very happy.

Obviously, I’d be happier if iCloud were reliable and fast. Anybody having a similar experience, and maybe now it’s fixed?

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